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@sufficientarian @Terfyzamazu @moonlighba3e It’s funny that you bring up 'epistemological truth' but then say you don't care to argue with a theist. We’re clearly not going to find an agreement on the nature of reality, so we can leave it at that. Have a good one.
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@murraysdiary @Terfyzamazu @moonlighba3e well i’m just highlighting that something being a religious narrative adds nothing to its epistemological truth… if anything it does the opposite (you don’t believe in 99% of religions, and i don’t believe in 100%)
we can argue about materialism but idrc to with a theist
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@sufficientarian @Terfyzamazu @moonlighba3e You're assuming belief is something you have zero control over to try and paint the Divine as 'cruel.' We’re now debating the nature of consciousness and free will instead of the actual point.
It's pretty much obvious you're just looking for a theological debate at this stage.
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@murraysdiary @f4talitied @Terfyzamazu @moonlighba3e yeah i’m aware, the philosophical arguments for materialism are sound so i believe them (it’s still a conclusion, not a choice. you can’t will what you will-and god should know this which circles back to him being cruel by punishing people who couldn’t believe him if they tried)
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@sufficientarian @f4talitied @Terfyzamazu @moonlighba3e Not to be harsh, but you're debating the content of various myths to avoid the question of whether a reality beyond the physical can exist at all.
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@murraysdiary @f4talitied @Terfyzamazu @moonlighba3e so you think believing in spiritual unicorns isn’t crazy?
you wouldn’t say this about someone in any other religion - plenty of religions have their own spiritual entities that you’d reject (think greek mythology for example)
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@sufficientarian @f4talitied @Terfyzamazu @moonlighba3e Your statement misses the point by comparing religion. The point is that religious belief is an engagement with a metaphysical reality, whereas your argument is a blanket dismissal of the entire spiritual realm.
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@sufficientarian @f4talitied @Terfyzamazu @moonlighba3e I’m already comfortable with my worldview; I don't need to force yours to change.
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@murraysdiary @f4talitied @Terfyzamazu @moonlighba3e literally how? the only difference is that it’s written down in an old book that was also written by humans
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@sufficientarian @f4talitied @Terfyzamazu @moonlighba3e Comparing the two assumes that everything non-physical is 'fictional,' but that’s just a materialist bias, not an objective truth. We’re working from two different definitions of reality.
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@murraysdiary @f4talitied @Terfyzamazu @moonlighba3e so you think believing in unicorns isn’t crazy?
again, that’s fine but it just shows that you’re in a completely different sphere (…a fictional one)
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@sufficientarian @f4talitied @Terfyzamazu @moonlighba3e Simply, the Buraq is a symbol of a profound spiritual experience that goes beyond physical limitations.
I don't expect everyone to believe it, but I do think there’s a difference between a religious narrative and a mundane claim about an animal.
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@murraysdiary @f4talitied @Terfyzamazu @moonlighba3e that no one’s gonna take you seriously if you say ‘fiction?’ and then essentially claim unicorns are real. by all means believe it, but you genuinely cannot be shocked that other people don’t
if anyone else said this we’d (rightly) conclude that they’re a bit… yk… crazy 😭
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@sufficientarian @f4talitied @Terfyzamazu @moonlighba3e faith involves believing in miracles that exceed human limitations, so yes.
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@f4talitied @Terfyzamazu @moonlighba3e It’s actually impressive how much effort you're putting into being this rude, but it's clear you don't have the capacity for an actual conversation. LMAO 😭
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@murraysdiary @Terfyzamazu @moonlighba3e the discussion being you spouting schizobabble and defending the writings of crazy old men with your whole chest
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@f4talitied @Terfyzamazu @moonlighba3e i was only stating facts about the theology. if your only response is name-calling instead of an actual argument, that just proves you aren't interested in a real discussion.
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@murraysdiary @Terfyzamazu @moonlighba3e says the religious person?? 😭 get your head out of the dark ages
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