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Agency is the Foundation of ALL Virtue

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I've been meaning to put this out to the world, but the ending of No Country for Old Men is brilliant, in part because of how it treats the death of Sheriff Ed Tom Bell. Yes, that's right, Sheriff Bell (Tommy Lee Jones) is dead in the last two scenes of the film. Let me explain ... Sheriff Bell is killed by Chigurh in the El Paso motel, the same place and room where we see Llewelyn's body and learn of his death. I think Bell knows Chigurh is probably still at that motel and will be in that room and that's why Bell goes back to the motel. Just prior to returning to the motel, Bell is in a diner having a conversation with local sheriff Roscoe Giddins. During this conversation, Bell and Giddins are discussing Chigurh going back to the Eagle Hotel to kill Carson Wells the day after he killed the desk clerk. The last thing Roscoe says to Bell is: "Strolls right back into a crime scene. Who would do such a thing? How do you defend against it?" After he leaves the coffee shop, Bell is sitting in his cruiser clearly contemplating his next move. This is when he makes the decision to go back to the El Paso motel believing Chigurh will be there. This is Bell's heroic moment or his moment of him acting upon his principles. (Bell actually routinely fails to live up to his principles which is made more explicit in McCarthy's novel, but that's a conversation for another day.) Think back to Bell's foreshadowing monologue that opens the movie: "I always knew you had to be willing to die to even do this job, not to be glorious. But I don't want to push my chips forward and go out and meet something I don't understand." The entire movie Bell has been trying to "understand" Chigurh or understand what he is up against, and at this point he makes the decision or he feels compelled to confront the thing he's up against but doesn't understand. Bell is "pushing his chips forward". Bell clearly thinks Chigurh is at the El Paso motel which is why Bell cuts the engine of his cruiser in the motel parking lot and why Bell closes the car door very quietly with both hands. Bell approaches the door and sees the lock punched out which tells us Chigurh is there or at least has been there. Then, it cuts to Chigurh standing and hiding behind the door. We know this is the door for which Bell is standing on the other side because we see Bell's shadow obstructing the light in the punched out lock hole. Bell opens the door, but Chigurh is not there. Where did he go? Bell goes into the bathroom and shows us that the bathroom window is locked, telling us the Chigurh did not escape through the window. To a lot of people, this scene does not make sense. The placement and movement of Bell and Chigurh is unclear and ambiguous. But this is, of course, on purpose. With this ambiguity, the film is telling us something about violence, death, and the world we are creating. Bell is unceremoniously killed by Chigurh in that motel room. In fact, it is so unceremonious that it is not even shown (just like how the deaths of the other main characters Carla Jean and Llewelyn are not shown). In just about every other film, the antagonist is killed in some final, drawn-out showdown. And in a lot of instances, when the viewer thinks the antagonist is dead, he suddenly appears again, only to be "killed again." McCarthy in the source material and the Coens not only buck conventional story-telling and movie-making, but they completely throw it on its head by having Bell killed by Chigurh but not even letting the audience know Bell has been killed; making the audience figure it out on their own. McCarthy and the Coens are making the point that violence and death sometimes make no sense and that they happen in the blink of an eye. For example, have you ever watched movie where the bad guy has the good guy in his grasp or his sights, but something miraculous happens allowing the good guy to escape or miraculously kill the bad guy? And, do you ever think how stupid and insulting that is from a real world perspective? Why didn't the bad guy just shoot the good guy without saying anything and without some drawn-out dramatic dialogue? That is the brilliance of NCFOM. It shows that death sometimes makes no sense and it happens in an instant. One second you're alive. The next second you're dead. Consider too the nihilism of the story Bell tells at the beginning of the movie about the boy he sent up to Huntsville for killing the 14-year-old girl. Senseless. So, what indicators or symbols are littered throughout the film that foreshadow and prove to us that Bell is killed by Chigurh in the motel. Think of how an intangible object or thing like a "bed" or "bedroom" is portrayed throughout the movie, and consider the theme of "retiring" or "retirement". (Also, to a lesser extent, the visual cue of light-to-dark.) Bell is in the main room of the motel (dark), he then flips the light on in the bathroom (light), and when he goes back into the main room (dark), what does he do? He "sits heavily onto the bed." Him sitting heavily on the bed is the indicator that he is dead. Where is Carla Jean when she dies? She waks into the house and turns on the light, but then sees Chigurh sitting in the bedroom "in the late-afternoon shadows." Carla Jean enters the bedroom and says after a brief conversation with Chigurh, "I need to sit down" and Chigurh "nods at the bed and Carla Jeamn sits down." Where does Carson Wells die. Chigurh appears behind Wells on the stairs and says "Hello Carson. Let's go to your room." They go from the light of the stairs and hallway into the dark room. Both are sitting in chairs in the hotel room when Chigurh shoots Wells. Chigurh then puts his feet on the bed to answer the phone. And then there is the story Bell tells his deputy about the couple in California who were "renting rooms" to elderly couples and then killing them. Again, death and bedrooms. One of the three Mexicans is killed while lying in bed and all three are killed in a motel room. Earlier in the movie, Bell stops a flatbed truck and has a conversation about the tie-downs coming loose. What is in the "bed" of the pick-up? Dead bodies. When Bell asks the driver why he didn't use the van instead, the movie is making a point about the relevance of a "bed" as a symbol of death death. Otherwise, what is the point of that scene? The drugs too--the object underlying and promoting all the killing--are in the bed of the truck at the initial crime scene. Then, consider probably the the most memorable scene of the movie where Chigurh converses with the gas station proprietor. There are a few lines in that dialogue that seem very out of place. Out of nowhere, the following back-and-forth takes place: CHIGURH: What time do you go to bed? PROPRIETOR: Sir? CHIGURH: You're a bit deaf, aren't you? I said what time do you go to bed? PROPRIETOR: Well ... I'd say around 9:30. Somewhere around 9:30. CHIGURH: I could come back then. Chigurh saying he could come back when the Proprietor is going to bed, is Chigurh telling the Proprietor that going to bed is synonymous with the Proprietor dying. Instead though, Chigurh utilitizes the coin-flip. The other symbol or indicator of death is "retirement" or "retiring". - Llewelyn is a “retired” welder (dead) - Carson Wells is a “retired” Army colonel (dead) - Carla Jean is “retired” from Wal-Mart (dead) - Sheriff Bell is facing impending retirement throughout the film and is finally “retired” in the last two scenes (dead). Think also of this dialogue in one of the final scenes where Bell goes to see his uncle Ellis. ELLIS: Got a letter from your wife. She writes pretty regular, tells me the family news. BELL: Didn't know there was any. ELLIS: She just told me you was quittin. Sit down. The family news is that Bell has retired. Being retired is "being dead" in the story. And Ellis immediately tells Bell to sit down, just like how Carla Jean and Carson Wells were told to sit down before they were killed by Chigurh. The entire story is leading up to Bell's retirement. Then, in the final scene, Bell and his wife Loretta have the following dialogue: BELL: Maybe I'll go ridin. LORETTA: Okay. BELL: What do you think. LORETTA: I can't plan your day. BELL: I mean, would you care to join me. LORETTA: Lord no. I'm not retired.
Matt Walsh@MattWalshBlog

Absurd list. No Country For Old Men is the best film of the century, hands down.

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Kai Schwemmer@KaiSchwemmer·
God will not be mocked.
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Dume@gietzschean·
The iconic Ralph Lauren store in Chicago
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Nobody@natecooley·
Vineland was a satire; a postmodern, ambivalent elegy that satirized ALL the characters. At best, OBAA was half-satire, which is no satire at all, but rather a jumbled incoherent mess. While Pynchon lampoons all of the characters and their ideologies and hypocrisies, PTA changed hand-picked plot points and aspects of the characters to fit his preferred narrative. For example, instead of satirizing the revolutionary characters as Pynchon ruthlessly did, he made them competent, earnest, and sympathetic. Then, he did the exact opposite with the Lockjaw character, making him over-the-top cartoonish. If half the characters in your “satire” are portrayed as conscientious, stalwart, courageous, and sympathetic, that’s not a satire. Sorry.
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Ben Pobjie
Ben Pobjie@HartWexford·
He's talking about One Battle After Another. Next, his review of Blazing Saddles: "So unintentionally funny that you could almost believe Mel Brooks was trying to make a comedy".
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Nobody@natecooley·
Just because Vineland was a satire doesn’t make OBAA also a satire. PTA himself stated that he found the book "too hard to adapt," so he "stole the parts that spoke to me and just started running like a thief.” PTA turned a postmodern, ambivalent elegy into a frenetic black-comedy action-thriller. The result is far less satirical or even-handed than Vineland. While Pynchon lampoons all of the characters and their ideologies and hypocrisies, PTA changed plot points and aspects of the characters to fit his preferred (and friends’ preferred) narrative. He thus turned a brilliant satire (Vineland) into a jumbled and incoherent mess (OBAA). For example, instead of satirizing the revolutionary characters as Pynchon ruthlessly did, he made them competent, earnest, and sympathetic. Then, he did the exact opposite with the Lockjaw character, making him over-the-top cartoonish. At best, OBAA is half satire, half serious (i.e., “a jumbled and incoherent mess”) and that it beats us over the head and very explicitly tells us which half is which is the opposite of what award-winning art should be
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Ann Coulter
Ann Coulter@AnnCoulter·
Liel Leibovitz in the Free Press: "As a work of art, One Battle After Another is irredeemable. It feels like the sort of thing written by a committee of socialist college sophomores cracking each other up ... "Paul Thomas Anderson seems interested more in purring for his fellow progressives than in making interesting movies ..."
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Nobody@natecooley·
@ScottMcCreaWest For that post-Great War to 1960s period … Edgar R Burroughs 🫱🏼‍🫲🏽 Raymond Chandler
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Scott McCrea Adventures
Scott McCrea Adventures@ScottMcCreaWest·
Edgar Rice Burroughs was the Gold Standard of fantasy fiction from the Great War to the 1960s; then JRR Tolkien’s Lord of the Rings was ‘discovered,’ and he became the Gold Standard. But, I think that Burroughs just might’ve been the exponentially better writer…
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Nobody@natecooley·
@emeriticus The fire theme is also very evident in The Passenger and Stella Maris, especially with their emphasis on physics and the creation of nuclear weapons, a real-life project McCarthy own father tangentially participated in.
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Pedro L. Gonzalez
Pedro L. Gonzalez@emeriticus·
Blood Meridian begins and ends with fire. "See the child" by the fire and the marking out of boundaries and the beginning of civilization. No Country ends with a kind of dream of decline, I think: a son riding out into the dark to meet his father who carried the fire for him and is waiting for him out there. The world has ended by fire in The Road before the book begins, and there is this recurring theme of carrying the fire, of the father passing the torch to the son he is leaving behind in a world that is dead and will never be the same. "Not be made right again." But the man decides to keep going anyway for the boy. Reading McCarthy has had the effect of making me more hopeful but not less pessimistic
Seth Largo@SethLargo

The "carry the fire" motif emerges in each of his Westerns: just a flicker at the end of BM and only in a dream in NCFOM. The physical presence of "the son" is, you're right, the most hopeful manifestation of it (McCarthy had just had a child himself, but the religious connotation is strong). It emerges just as hopefully in The Border Trilogy but you gotta read all three books to get to. His Southern novels are much more bleak because they lack this motif entirely.

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Nobody@natecooley·
Yes!! Read Outer Dark and The Road back-to-back and this is especially clear. Outer Dark was written at a time when McCarthy had just become a father for the first time. He was struggling with that responsibility and it’s evident in the book. With The Road however, he had just become a father again, and his perspective had matured, and it’s evident in the book.
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Pedro L. Gonzalez
Pedro L. Gonzalez@emeriticus·
If you read Blood Meridian, No Country for Old Men, and The Road in that order, it's like the life cycle of civilization: its bloody birth out of chaos, its violent decline, and its apocalyptic death in flames. I think that's why I found The Road so special. It's characteristically bleak and pessimistic McCarthy, but there is a kernel of superhuman hope at its heart that makes it one of the darkest things I have ever read, but also the most tender. "He knew only that his child was his warrant. He said: If he is not the word of God God never spoke."
Kristen Rudd@kristenrudd

About to start Blood Meridian for the first time. Give me all your best advice.

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Nobody@natecooley·
@KEAungst1 @AuronMacintyre That the Atonement of Jesus Christ is the only truly transcendent thing or act in the history of material existence.
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Auron MacIntyre@AuronMacintyre·
Since we're doing the Blood Meridian discourse it should be made clear that Cormac McCarthy is one of the greatest American novelists of all time and anyone who doesn't understand this must be deported
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Nobody@natecooley·
@scoutmccomb @christopherrufo This is true. I started to lose interest a bit or lose focus with The Passenger toward the end of the book when Bobby Western was traveling to Arizona, Idaho, and Spain, and only spent brief (book) time in those locales.
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Scout McComb
Scout McComb@scoutmccomb·
@christopherrufo With McCarthy, the landscape is often a main character. To love his writing you have to love his landscapes and to accept that the characters will disappear behind them. The remnant feeling is that humans are but a brief flash in an ancient, indifferent world.
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Christopher F. Rufo ⚔️
Christopher F. Rufo ⚔️@christopherrufo·
I read the first hundred pages of The Road last year, and read the first hundred pages of Blood Meridian this year, and in both instances, gave up, because the books never clicked. Lyrical writing, but the characters are reduced to way down Maslow's hierarchy, and the tone is so relentlessly bleak, with almost no humanity breaking through, it was difficult to feel anything besides the flint clicking against the cold steel in the overwhelming darkness. I know many of you love it, but to me, it's overwrought, overstylized, and overhyped.
Kristen Rudd@kristenrudd

About to start Blood Meridian for the first time. Give me all your best advice.

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Nobody@natecooley·
@OrthodoxWario @christopherrufo Some books don’t “click” until literally the last few pages … And the final paragraph of The Road is perfection.
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Nobody@natecooley·
There’s definitely some truth to your statement that McCarthy didn’t apparently think it was worth noting the inner lives of his characters. That shouldn’t be a criticism, however. That his books work so well WITHOUT him constantly telling the reading in explicit terms what the characters are thinking or feeling is a badge of honor and evidence of his brilliance as a writer.
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Dwayne Barrick
Dwayne Barrick@SitLibertas·
@christopherrufo I believe McCarthy was largely a misanthrope and an extreme materialist. He was a first-rate writer in terms of command of the language. But he did not believe it was worth noting the inner lives of his characters. He was Gnostic but without the desire for transcendence.
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What’s the WORST Oscar win of the century so far? We debate the 10 worst wins since the turn of the century in honor of the #AcademyAwards… Did we miss anything?
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The Investor Guy@oneinvestorguy·
@CollinRugg Probably a good time for all men to watch the video on the hot/crazy scale for women. Its undefeated
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NEW: ABC's "Bachelorette" caught on camera allegedly attacking her ex-boyfriend and throwing a chair at him, which appeared to hit her child. The "The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives" star is reportedly under investigation for domestic violence. "The Draper City Police Department in Utah [is investigating] the allegations on both sides after a recent incident," Variety recently reported. It's unclear if the police are investigating this incident or a separate one. Paul is set to star in Season 22 of “The Bachelorette," which reportedly starts in 3 days. Insane. Video: @TMZ
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Nobody@natecooley·
I used to really like The Big Picture, but more and more so much of their content and their takes are filtered through their lens of disdain for all things even remotely Conservative. I mean, their podcast isn’t overtly political, but all of their takes are so predictable, which frankly makes their podcast boring. For example, in the episode on One Battle After Another, Sean thought it was one of the greatest movies of the decade. Shocking. Amanda was critical of the Wicked sequel b/c it wasn’t feminist enough. Shocking. I guarantee you that Amanda Dobbins was annoyed with Buckley who during her biggest moment on the biggest stage extolled the joy and fulfillment of being married and being a mother.
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Jason Onia@jasonmonia·
@Historydivinity instantly blocked them on tik tok cause every take i heard was just insanely bad or in bad taste. i know it’s all subjective but it gets to a point where it felt like they just did things for clicks and views
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Jake Crawford@Historydivinity·
One of the most pathetic things I’ve ever heard, and watched. So a brilliant and fabulous woman who just made history for her home country of Ireland , for herself as an actor, who worked on something that clearly meant the world to her Is suddenly doing too much because she burst into tears? I’m trying to understand how someone could watch Jessie Buckley all season and not find her genuine surprise at each ceremony moving. She is from a county in Ireland and has worked since she was eighteen to become a great actress. She survived an eating disorder after finding that acting helped her. Not only has her film Hamnet earned her the Academy award for best actress but she also swept that season becoming the first Irish winner for each ceremony. Her family was even flown out by her country to come support her. I think that calls for bit of emotion . She was able to win for something that she loves and that is Shakespeare. I understand that maybe Sean Fennessey, and Amanda Dobbins (who admitted she cried five times during the ceremony, but found another woman’s happy tears too much) feel that they have the right to nitpick every single thing that happened during the ceremony , but they also had the option of being kind human beings and it is something they failed to do. They should be called out for this, and hopefully they will be. I hope we don’t let this one slide by because truly it is disgusting. To tear apart someone’s happiest moment is a pathetic thing to do all in the name of attention for a podcast. At the end of the day, Jessie Buckley will still be an Academy Award winner, and be loved by fans and her family. And she’ll be remembered throughout history, whenever someone wonders which woman was the the first Irish Academy award winner for best actress.
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