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building @save_finance @suilendprotocol

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nope@nope_sol·
@xBartega 1. Soju never ran risk 2. Any of today's platforms would have suffered similar (or worse) losses given how they operate 3. Didn't "have to close". the risk (low on chain liquidity) to reward (not much usage anyway), made it make sense to take some time to rearchitect some things.
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Bartega | Kamino@xBartega·
Just a small detail guys, nothing to see here … Let me remind you that Soju was running risk management at Solend in 2022 and is responsible for the biggest bad debt situation in Solana DeFi to date. After that Solend has to close for 3 months. It does make sense that that’s how they run a lending protocol
Soju 燒酒 | Meteora@0xSoju

It was difficult to scale product marketing when @JupiterExchange had 4-5 products. The isolated risk thing seems to be a small detail misunderstood by the product marketing team, but it’s a serious detail call these things out! so we’ll all keep improving

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nope@nope_sol·
@yieldsandmore @k3_capital @elixir company A borrowed 10m from company B company B borrowed 12 m from company A company B: "hey sorry i can't pay you back the 12m but pls return the 10m to me" company A: ...
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YAM 🌱@yieldsandmore·
The saga continues. @k3_capital is threatening legal action on @elixir, claiming Elixir is a 'coordinated fraudulent scheme' orchestrated by Philip Forte (founder of Elixir) and facilitated by Caleb from Stream Finance'. K3 alledges Elixir misrepresented their product by lending 68m to Stream, turning from a 'basis trading' product into a 'tokenized fund-of-funds', a completely different and riskier profile. Elixir treated lenders as junior capital, claiming 'Stream holds roughly 90% of the deUSD supply (~$75m)'. This is not entirely true. Stream has borrowed stables against their deUSD exposure on many money markets, and their true exposure is much smaller. It is completely unfair that Elixir let existing deUSD holders redeem at 1:1, completely ignoring the 68m hole in their balance sheet. deUSD holders were not treated unilaterally. Instead of 'Stream' taking on the loss of deUSD being worthless, it's the lenders on multiple lending markets that suffer. By our math, which could very much be incorrect, across all wallets, Stream is holding about 11.34M of deUSD net exposure, if deUSD was still redeemable 1:1. This is so much smaller than the 68m loan, meaning Stream might possibly not end up paying this loan back. Instead of this loss being socialized among all deUSD holders, it is now the lenders that would take on the losses. In our opinion, deUSD redeems should have been completely paused until this situation with the loan was resolved. Either that, or let deUSD holders partially redeem their claim of the total backing minus the 68m hole, so users don't have to wait for legal proceedings and at least get a part of their capital back right away. Here are the wallets we checked for Stream's current loans against (s)deUSD: Stream Main debank.com/profile/0x1597… Stream msig no xUSD loops debank.com/profile/0x14bc… Stream Connected, deUSD dumper debank.com/profile/0xcb4a… Stream xusd looper worthless 1 debank.com/profile/0xaf4c… Stream xusd looper worthless 2 debank.com/profile/0x7fd2… Stream xusd looper worthless 3 debank.com/profile/0xe994… Allegedly Ryan Demattia debank.com/profile/0x9d7b… Allegedly Ryan Demmatia 2: debank.com/profile/0xecbc… Ryan Demmatia 3: debank.com/profile/0xdc1a… Stream?debank.com/profile/0x2d9c… Stream debank.com/profile/0xa65e… stream, empty debank.com/profile/0x3ac8… Law's old wallet, claims is Stream owned debank.com/profile/0xb052… Stream d2 finance, kinetic debank.com/profile/0xbb57… Lighter Withdrawals debank.com/profile/0xb014… Lighter Withdrawals 2 debank.com/profile/0x0443… Stream Gearbox loop empty debank.com/profile/0x2193… Stream xUSD loop debank.com/profile/0x6b75… Some of these might not be owned by Stream, but by the 'External Managers', or other parties. We are not certain all wallets are owned by Stream at all, these wallets were found by onchain links. We are not lawyers. None of this is legal advice. We're simply stating our opinion on what would be morally right. Thanks for understanding.
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Elixir@elixir

Elixir has worked tirelessly over the previous 48 hours and has successfully processed redemptions of 80% of all deUSD holders thus far (not including Stream). As it stands now, Stream holds roughly 90% of the deUSD supply (~$75m), while Elixir holds a similar proportion of its remaining backing as a Morpho loan to Stream. All remaining holders of deUSD and sdeUSD will be able to redeem for a dollar. To protect the interest of these holders (and remove any risk of Stream liquidating deUSD before repaying their loan), a snapshot has been taken of all remaining deUSD and sdeUSD holder balances, and a claim page will go live later today. These parties will be able to claim USDC. As a part of this, the mint/redeem infrastructure has been turned off, and we will be sunsetting deUSD in the near future. Any affected LPs in AMM pools or lending markets will be able to claim the full value of their position. Given that Stream comprised of 99%+ of the lending positions (and has decided to not repay or close positions), we will work with Euler, Morpho, Compound and the curators moving forward to help distribute repayment of the Stream loan to liquidate these positions. We still believe this will be honored 1 for 1. We will follow up to this post later today with claim page information.

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nope@nope_sol·
@WazzCrypto How does having it not hardcoded solve the issue of users losing money when it depegs?
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Wazz@WazzCrypto·
By the way Every single money market that allows hardcoded "stablecoin" oracles is guilty and complicit in the loss of user funds. The greed for more TVL is what lead to this Today it was Euler and Morpho with xUSD But tomorrow it can be Aave with USDe
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Wazz@WazzCrypto

So Stream will have $300-500M in liabilities instead of $60M because xUSD is hard coded on every money market like Euler and Morpho and will take weeks/months to liquidate while accruing bad debt. Good Job guys 👍

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@kingdonutcrypto @0xPain__ @0xrooter "like any other token that has a buy back." just was giving you 2 of the biggest examples of tokens with buybacks that both don't burn. anyway feels pointless to continue convo since you assume bad by default so iiwii no worries.
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Kingdonutcrypto@kingdonutcrypto·
Im just stating what was said. "Added to the treasury so we can weather bad times like this in the markets". I also agree it would be counterintuitive to sell in a down market. Still happens every day somewhere in the market. Obviously you wouldnt be doing buybacks if you needed capital which is what was said. All in all, suilend has been very confusing with there plans for the send token. Season 2 allocation was a disaster. (And no need to repeat the excuses. I dont buy them one bit. Any sort of communication would have preventing people spending an entire season farming send points for 7 dollars and then still have to pay a fee to redeem. But of course you guys wanted peoples capital so telling them they wernt getting shit back for it wouldnt have been as profitable). Then these oh look at us doing buybacks. Yet its just going in our own treasury. Just not a good look. Blue is a direct comparison. Hype is kind of a wishful thinking comparison. Its worth what? 100x more? Really not much else to say unless you guys want to actually tell the community what they are going to be used for.
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nope@nope_sol·
@kingdonutcrypto @0xPain__ @0xrooter hype: no burn pump: no burn better examples than blue or up also it would be pretty stupid for the dao to sell tokens when the price was down bad as it would just be diluting it down, if token price was ever down so bad it would be better to redeem or do buybacks
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Kingdonutcrypto@kingdonutcrypto·
They said that in their discord channel. Multiple times they have stated they will not be burned. They said it was a possibility they will be used in the future for incentives. So not definite but there was much uproar and back and forth about them not being burned so that is fact.
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Kingdonutcrypto@kingdonutcrypto·
@0xPain__ @0xrooter They have already said they arent burning any send, they will use them in the future for incentives. Would definitely mean more if they were burned i agree.
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0xPain@0xPain__·
Next, let’s look at @springsui_ SpringSui has 2 main revenue sources as well The first comes from $sSUI, Suilend’s LST $sSUI lets users earn staking rewards while holding SUI. In return, SpringSui charges 0.02% on unstaking and a performance fee. (5/9)
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0xPain@0xPain__·
The second source comes from providing LST infrastructure to other projects across the Sui ecosystem. These projects follow a similar revenue model to sSUI and pay @springsui_ a small fee for using its LST services. (6/9)
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Suilend@suilendprotocol·
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nope@nope_sol·
@0xkydo @ThogardPvP Spec is explicitly not an implementation, there is already a implementation (the chain literally runs). It's a rigorous description of required features to be considered a valid client.
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Kydo@0xkydo·
@ThogardPvP paper != spec. paper is design, spec is implementation
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Kydo@0xkydo·
some rant: most traders and even builders, like 80%, maybe 95%, have no clue why decentralization matters. to them it’s just “how many nodes.” they don’t think about governance, decision making, or what happens when a network breaks and nobody’s left who actually understands it. they don’t know that a spec is the constitution of a chain. without it, you’re trusting vibes and memory. ethereum has to start telling the story of why decentralization is the superpower. not in slogans. in examples. in failures survived, forks recovered, trust rebuilt from scratch. we can roll our eyes that traders don’t care, or we can tell the story better. solana still doesn’t have a spec. they know it. max joined 300 days ago to write one. it’s still vapor. years of patchwork on top of patchwork. core knowledge scattered across ex employees now building rival l1s. we have the strongest foundation in crypto and somehow forgot to explain to the everyday people why it matters. decentralization isn’t a vibe. it’s the reason ethereum is still here. we need to make it concrete for people to grasp it. cc @tkstanczak @binji_x @VitalikButerin
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Ryan Watkins@RyanWatkins_

Time and again I see people overthink L1 valuations. The only difference between $1400 ETH and $5000 ETH was Bitmine. In April Ethereum was a dying platform. Today it’s the stablecoin chain and the next “Bitcoin-like” opportunity for institutions. Price leads narratives so they say. The point here isn’t about whether any of this is justified. The point is that the absence of agreed upon valuation methodologies creates a void that only narratives and relative frameworks can fill. Is the ETH bull case that it becomes a take rate on global GDP? What about it becoming “programmable Bitcoin” which intrinsically can’t be valued? How about both? The truth is no one knows. So what happens when the market instead anchors to relative value and narratives? Well BTC is $2 trillion. So who’s to say ETH shouldn’t be 50% of that? It offers a superset of Bitcoin’s functionality right? ETH is $500B. Why shouldn’t SOL be 100% or more of that? It’s the superior product with greater traction across almost every economic metric. These exercises are goofy. But again we can theorize all we want, or navigate the environment in front of us. We’ll figure out the answers to these questions in time. Fundamentals are the ultimate anchor at the limit. But until then, don’t overthink it. There’s an enormous competitive advantage for assets that have penetrated mainstream consciousness and persisted over time. It’s a game of flows and narratives until the party stops.

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nope@nope_sol·
@toly ok pls increase inflation then to pay them more
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toly 🇺🇸@toly·
People are misunderstanding 341. If you run your own full node, you are paying to store data by paying for the hardware, and you can keep storing all the data you want on your one full node. If you want other staked full nodes to store your data, you need to pay for it. That’s where the 341 rent function comes in. Solana is a single state machine, so either all have to store the same data, or it’s optional for all and there are no guarantees. If you want all the staked full nodes to store all your data forever, gotta pay them more then what it currently costs.
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@nope_sol @suilendprotocol There will be no 0 penalty period? I think for the first claim there was 0, if you wait out the penalty period.
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SadMouse@SadMouseTweets·
When should SEND claim penalty stop? Judging by the graph it should have stopped 5 days ago. Is the graph stuck on July 3rd? Or I'm missing something? @suilendprotocol any idea?
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nope@nope_sol·
Visiting the us after living abroad for a while
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@0xrooter We do sign the termsheet
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R🐽ter@0xrooter·
founders lately have been unable to raise VC, turning to angels with "builder rounds." without a lead to keep things in check, they're more likely to take advantage of angels. it's a shame because angels are called that for a reason — they give support when no one else will.
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Joshua@JoshuaOrhue_·
This is the chart of the first Sui eco token to use mdrop. It is down 85% in 7 months (for context, we are supposedly in the greatest bull market ever) @ikadotxyz just launched using the same mdrop model, what will the chart look like in 7 months? Bullish on @doubleup_app and whatever magic it is they did for the token launch (Also this is me fudding for entry, need a quick 2x)
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