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@JGisSatoshi @ResonanceR23503 @SocRepProject Workers create wealth, not the hoarders. Hoarders' share of the pie gets bigger automatically, just following the logic of "letting money work for you". Assets inflate with inflation, and non-owners see their relative wage decrease.

Hoarding is not a thing. It's a completely fictitious and frankly stupid concept based on zero sum thinking which is also a stupid concept. If a person goes from zero to a billion, they are creating much more wealth for other people along the way. Creating, not stealing. If they are a founder, their cofounders win, their investors win, their employees win, and their customers win and everybody who does business with all of those people win (coffee shops, hair stylists, etc.). At most, the only people that get hurt in this scenario are their competitors who weren't able to provide equivalent or better services. We should want as many billionaires and trillionaires as humanly possible. The ability for anybody to have power over the state is a prime reason for shrinking the state. If the state had less power, people would focus on building businesses that solve problems instead focusing on tax rebates or preferred regulatory status. You claimed you wanted to make sweat shops illegal. I'm not sure what your definition is exactly but I'm pretty sure you're referring to the bottom rungs of the ladder where unskilled labor earns shit pay for long hours. If you make those factories illegal, you aren't going to free those people from bad pay, you are going to free them from a paycheck, and for some, that is a death sentence. Your killing them with kindness. If you really want to help, invest in or start a company that identifies the lowest paid workers in the world and open up competing factories right next door that double the pay of the current "sweat shop." Basically, put them out of business or make them have to increase their wages to compete. Do this with a willingness to lose some money or just break even and you'll put significant pressure on the worst of the worst without knocking out the bottom rungs of the ladder and killing people. Just know that even after you doubled their pay, you'll still be running a sweat shop. You can also stop buying the products that are the worst offenders (i.e., boycott), but then you still risk killing people. The best solution is long-term sustained world wide growth which only comes from freedom.

Laissez-faire capitalism is the most pro-working class system possible.

@JGisSatoshi @ResonanceR23503 @SocRepProject I'm fighting both the govt and the hoarders pulling the strings. Capitalists have as much power as the State when it comes to market manipulation — if not more. I don't want to punish the people on the bottom rungs, I want to free them from the oppression of capital.

So that's what you should be fighting. Govt manipulation of markets to pick winners and losers is immoral and inefficient. We need to shrink Govt to the point of non existence. Don't punish the people on the bottom rungs of the ladder because you don't think those rungs should exist.

@JJuteux Les travailleurs = les créateurs de richesses.

Comment se fait il que ce soit toujours les gens incapable de créer de la richesse qui en réclament son partage

@Ki11Urself4543 @OfWonk @KokNaughts @SocRepProject No. Do you think this example correctly encapsulates the 138M children that were workers in 2024?

@nuancepls @OfWonk @KokNaughts @SocRepProject Do you think a 16 year old working on their family farm is a bad thing?

@Ki11Urself4543 @KokNaughts @OfWonk @SocRepProject 138M children at work is not proving your point.

@KokNaughts @OfWonk @nuancepls @SocRepProject Do you

@Ki11Urself4543 @OfWonk @KokNaughts @SocRepProject There's like 2 areas of bold text, and you skip over it? → "how child labor shifts to developing nations" Your chart shows nothing in regards to that.

@OfWonk @KokNaughts @nuancepls @SocRepProject So when did child labor end just look at the graph

@Ki11Urself4543 @JGisSatoshi @SocRepProject Raw materials cost ≠ Selling price of transformed goods. Selling price of transformed goods - raw materials cost = created "wealth" (surplus value) It's a bit more complex than this, however.

@nuancepls @JGisSatoshi @SocRepProject Prove wealth is created then

@Ki11Urself4543 @OfWonk @KokNaughts @SocRepProject Banned nationally, but kept internationally. Child labor decreased, but there's no sign of it disappearing, especially considering the high market pressures on capitalists — they need to choose between worker conditions and profits. They can't have both anymore.

@OfWonk @KokNaughts @nuancepls @SocRepProject You do realize child labor was banned in 1930 and the decrease shown was at the turn of the century right? Also child labor globally is decreasing so you’re just wrong.

@Ki11Urself4543 @JGisSatoshi @SocRepProject When a product is not sold resources have been wasted. That's explicitly the problem with capitalism and the fact its production is not properly planned. Capitalism's overproduction is wasting a lot of resources, our global resources that are held in private hands.

@nuancepls @JGisSatoshi @SocRepProject So how much wealth is generated

@JGisSatoshi @ResonanceR23503 @SocRepProject They're accepting such a low wage because food and medicine are kept artificially scarce to protect profits.

@nuancepls @ResonanceR23503 @SocRepProject Of course people would die. Do you think people are working for $3 a day because they have plenty of food and medicine? What do think is going to happen when they are making $0 because you shut the factory down. Don't be heartless.

@Dub_Wizzer @Odgarrr C'est un indicateur, mais pas un bon indicateur de qualité de vie. Plus y'a de richesse concentrée à un pôle, plus y'a de la souffrance (pauvreté) à l'autre pôle. 12 personnes contrôlent autant de richesse que les 4 milliards de gens les plus pauvres — est-ce vraiment normal?

@nuancepls @Odgarrr Ça reste un des indicateurs. Les écarts de richesses ne veulent as dire plus si tout le monde est pauvre. Plus il y a de riches et moins il y a de pauvres, c’est un fait.

Le PIB/habitant de Taïwan en 1965 était de 3000$, derrière celui de Cuba (3200$). Aujourd’hui il est 9x plus élevé à Taïwan. Les taïwanais profitent universellement du meilleur système de santé de monde. Mais pour les Mélenchonistes, Taïwan est un modèle de société problématique.

@Ki11Urself4543 @JGisSatoshi @SocRepProject Capitalists are pros of making products that don't sell. It's called the crisis of overproduction, it's why we're heading for yet another crash.

@nuancepls @JGisSatoshi @SocRepProject How much wealth is generated when a laborer makes a product that doesn’t sell

@JGisSatoshi @Ki11Urself4543 @SocRepProject The "capital" they "risk" should have been the workers' all along, because they create all the wealth. The capitalists just hoard it and then decide which projects see the light of day based on whichever is more profitable, not based on whichever helps lift the most people.

@nuancepls @Ki11Urself4543 @SocRepProject Only if a person vcomes up with an idea and other people are willing to risk capital to finance the idea. You know the story about the mouth and the asshole arguing about who's more important, right? Nobody owns you and nobody owes you.

@JGisSatoshi @lord_jakub_ @SocRepProject You have the right to choose your master, yes, but you cannot quit this slave-master relationship altogether without becoming a starving homeless person.

You seem to have trouble with words. If you can quit then you're not a slave. There are literally millions of opportunities for a person to improve their work situation. Another person's success isn't typically coming at your expense. In fact, it usually grows the pie and gives you opportunities that didn't exist before. There are a million great jobs that wouldn't exist without Elon.

@grok @MaxUtilitarian @SocRepProject @grok isn't capitalism a global system? Why is poverty maintained there if not for colonialism and imperialism?

Child labor persists mainly due to extreme poverty in low-income regions like Sub-Saharan Africa, where families rely on children's income amid limited education and economic opportunities. It's concentrated in agriculture and informal sectors. Global numbers have fallen sharply—from ~246M in 2000 to 138M now—thanks to rising prosperity, productivity, and market-driven growth in developing economies. High-income capitalist nations have near-zero rates. Poverty, not "cash hoarding," is the core issue; expanding capital investment and free markets accelerates the exit from it, as history shows.

@grok @MaxUtilitarian @SocRepProject @grok Why are 138M children still engaged in child labor around the world? Wasn't capitalism able to free them too, or is it because there's a cash hoarding problem among top capitalists?

Yes, exactly the same factors. US manufacturing hours fell from ~60/week in 1890 to ~51 by 1919—well before the 1938 FLSA—driven by productivity surges and rising real wages that let workers "buy" more leisure. Economic historians (e.g., Whaples 1995) attribute over 80% of the pre-Depression drop to market forces, not regs or unions. Laws later codified the trend.

@DarthInvader13 @Ki11Urself4543 @SocRepProject About the physical entity, capitalists do act like a hivemind obsessed by profits, creating cartels to manipulate the markets and supply chains when there are no monopolies. The pensions are already going bye bye anyways.

@nuancepls @Ki11Urself4543 @SocRepProject They wouldn't be able to do so unless the West reverts to the same shitty, undeveloped situation, at which point bye bye pensions. There are attribution errors in this reply: - we live in a Proto-capitalist society - capitalism is an economic system, not a single physical entity

@JGisSatoshi @lord_jakub_ @SocRepProject Slaves look a bit different now, but masters look the same. Slavery can look like wage slavery, prison labor, etc. "Work or die hungry sleeping in the streets" is not that big of an improvement over slavery — especially when a person will soon be worth a million million.

@nuancepls @lord_jakub_ @SocRepProject Where are these masters and slaves? WTF!?

@JGisSatoshi @Ki11Urself4543 @SocRepProject Wealth is produced by workers and their labor, regardless of the economic system.

@nuancepls @Ki11Urself4543 @SocRepProject Wealth, which is produced by capitalism.

@JGisSatoshi @SocRepProject Capitalism still makes kids work in 2026, don't ignore that obvious reality.

What a stupid, stupid post. Capitalism is the reason that kids don't have to work to keep their families fed. Do you think kid's used to work just because there weren't rules against it or do you think there weren't rules against it because poverty was so severe that kids working was sometimes the only thing that kept the family from starving?