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@timurkuran No. Academics do not need to “sell the public on the value” of education. There is no “Great Awokening.” Universities are not radical (they’re actually conservative institutions). These myths are created as false premises to undermine universities & reduce public funding
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Timur Kuran@timurkuran·
Spot on. “Academics need to sell the public on the value of their project. They must convince people that the radical pronouncements of the Great Awokening were a terrible mistake, now corrected, and that they are pursuing truth, not political agendas.” (Source: WPost)
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@CarlosEAlvare17 @QueenMab87 I’m anonymous, yes. If that’s a problem for you, I don’t really care. I’m here to argue against destruction, inaccuracy, & oppression. In this thread, I’m here to argue for the integrity of education serving students, community, and working hard to contribute to better society
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Carlos E Alvarez@CarlosEAlvare17·
You repeated what you said that I replied to, which I understood to be the rejection of my answer. You suggested there is no broken academic social contract but when I spell out why it is indeed the case, you claim it’s a strawman. You seem to be here anonymously , just protecting a higher education from critically needed reforms. Why can’t you say who you are or what your motives are?
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Dr. Mia Brett@QueenMab87·
No I don’t care about political “viewpoint diversity” in academia. “Viewpoint diversity” is a nice neutral euphemism but what you’re saying is that people who support depriving half of us of rights & embrace racism & sexism should be elevated.
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@CarlosEAlvare17 @QueenMab87 The “social contract” of public universities is to educate; advance knowledge & innovation; create, support, and sustain community. Universities develop and follow mission. Individual units create specific missions & objectives. All of these are reviewed and available publicly
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@Griffith_Kane_ @akoustov I’m prepared for it every moment of every day, as it’s been happening for my entire adult and professional life.
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Kane@Griffith_Kane_·
@o____five @akoustov Then be prepared for the cultural or racial opposition to discriminate against you in turn. The long walk through the institutions goes both ways.
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Alexander Kustov@akoustov·
I appreciate someone's just biting the bullet and saying it out loud that conservatives are and should be discriminated against. But that's not what I signed up for when I entered grad school. Also, in general, this is not a good way to run a society where people disagree...
Jan@janhopi

everyone is being very defensive for obvious reasons but he is correct. academics with noxious right wing views are less likely to get hired. personally I just don't give a shit. the university is not a place of pure neutrality and never has been.

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@CarlosEAlvare17 @QueenMab87 I haven’t written or argued (or even suggested) any of those things. You’re entering a large number of strawmen into that chat.
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Carlos E Alvarez@CarlosEAlvare17·
We know their college and medical school admissions protocols were found to be unconstitutional but are being continued, and they have been violating civil rights laws. Are you suggesting that education and scholarship have not been in decline for decades and that both K-12 and higher education are not completely captured by leftist politics? You don’t think that along with its declining value to society there has been an ever-growing expansion of higher education bureaucracy and administrative bloat paid for by tuition increases and taxpayer backed loans which are exempted from bankruptcy laws? Simply put, higher education has retreated from Enlightenment values and is marked by rampant fraud, waste, and abuse.
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@akoustov I don’t know if it describes 100% of conservatives (very doubtful, since 100% is an absolute) but it does describe conservative political platforms; conservative media rhetoric & discourse; and numerous conservative leaders, scholars/researchers, educators expressed views
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@CarlosEAlvare17 @QueenMab87 Yes. Public education and research should receive public funding. No. Public universities are not violating an academic or social contract.
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Carlos E Alvarez@CarlosEAlvare17·
@o____five @QueenMab87 You already said that. I replied they can do what they want but should not receive taxpayer funded subsidies if they violate their academic social contract.
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@JacobAShell Those are not the things academics value. That’s a false premise.
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Jacob Shell@JacobAShell·
Academics sense that all the rewards they value (tenure, small teaching loads, research resources) are still controlled by the system which the reports criticize, and that the ppl who did the reports don't control those rewards. That's it. That's why the response is what it is.
Jake 🇺🇸@omni_american

I'm more depressed about academics' response to the Yale and Vanderbilt reports than I am about the reports themselves. What I see on social media apart from X is denial, scorn, belittling of the authors, and suspicion of their motives. There's no saving higher ed from us faculty, apparently.

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@TherynDArnold Yes! And who exactly needs "viewpoint diversity" protections right now: the conservative professor whose values align with all 3 branches of federal gov’t & most states, or the teacher/researcher doing good meaningful work whose funding & values are threatened daily?
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Theryn@TherynDArnold·
who exactly needs "viewpoint diversity" protections right now? the imagined conservative professor facing a hostile hiring committee, or the grad student facing ICE for showing up to a protest?
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@CarlosEAlvare17 @QueenMab87 No Institutions, including businesses, universities, and corporations, would ever be expected to hire people who outwardly attack their institutional mission, distrust & spew bigoted hate toward their employees, and wish to oppress many of their constituents and their families
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Carlos E Alvarez@CarlosEAlvare17·
The public distrust is from the catastrophically declining quality of university education and scholarship, which is correlated with Democrat party alignment, administrative bloat, and lack of accountability. You’re right institutions can act in their own interests and hire only those committed to their political cause, but that makes it a political institution and it shouldn’t receive taxpayer subsidies or research grants.
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@CarlosEAlvare17 @QueenMab87 Conservative politicians & media pundits have bashed public education, created “teacher lists,” attacked faculty & university admin, banned books, invented spurious research examples, and used many other methods to create false distrust in higher Ed, for DECADES. Not Democrats.
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@WalshFreedom You’re bringing up a crucial limitation of a 2-party system: there’s little room for alternative viewpoints. And when a party is as controlling and reliant on big funding sources as the Dem party is, there’s little possibility for the party to tolerate ideological differences
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Joe Walsh@WalshFreedom·
The intolerant left is becoming a twin of the intolerant MAGA right. Does the left want the Dem Party to win, or does the left want to control the party? Is there room in the Dem Party for someone like me who’s a very, very strong supporter of Israel? Monday thoughts.👇 open.substack.com/pub/socialcont…
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@Bill_Gerrard Your son’s thought is incorrect.
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William Gerrard@Bill_Gerrard·
My son thinks it’s a pipe 😂🤣
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O@o____five·
@CB618444 Hope the guy in the jersey was kicked out of the game. A person can’t just threaten and hit someone because they disagree with them. That’s assault and battery.
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🇺🇸 𝓒𝓪𝓽𝓲𝓪 🇮🇹@CB618444·
I’ll admit I love this video 🫶 👏 Stand up for the National Anthem at the Cubs game or get smacked in the head. He got smacked in the head 😂!
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@katrinagulliver @Tyler_A_Harper This is a false premise and a strawman* Universities don’t want to hire ideologues who want to de-fund and dismantle public respect for education. * but even your strawman is inaccurate: politically-conservative systematic de-funding of public education began in the early 80s
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Tyler Austin Harper@Tyler_A_Harper·
Many of these “viewpoint diversity is fascist propaganda” people talk as if they don’t work at institutions heavily subsidized by the taxpayer. Apparently, a politically diverse public is supposed to let them do their unpopular politics indefinitely—and pay for it—for…reasons?
Nathan Kalman-Lamb@nkalamb

This is literally just fascist propaganda. The man has a major mainstream media platform and is using it to launder MAGA politics as ‘viewpoint diversity’ at the precise moment when those ideas are becoming increasingly ascendant.

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@Tyler_A_Harper Conservative pundits & politicians are the reason university trust declined in recent decades. Conservatives systematically reduced public university funding since the ‘80s. Why should a university hire people who want to decrease funding & lower respect for that institution?
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Tyler Austin Harper@Tyler_A_Harper·
This might have worked when the public trusted universities broadly, but we don’t live in that world. Universities are lavish debt engines that have stopped being an automatic vehicle for social mobility. Academia doesn’t have the social capital to do whatever it wants anymore!
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@miakhalifa You’re standing in an empty parking lot
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Mia K.
Mia K.@miakhalifa·
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