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Orin Kerr

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Professor, Stanford Law School. Senior Fellow, Hoover Institution. Latest book: https://t.co/NScgWkDNEI

Stanford, California Katılım Mart 2013
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Orin Kerr
Orin Kerr@OrinKerr·
NEW AT SSRN: With the geofence warrant case being argued at SCOTUS this spring, I'm pleased to be able to post Chapter 9 of "The Digital Fourth Amendment," on how courts should interpret Carpenter v. United States, the CSLI case—and how to apply it. papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cf…
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Worthwhile read, via @tedfrank.
Real Estate Lawyer@SinaiLawFirm

Do you want to know why rent is so expensive in LA? Why the application process takes so long? Why landlords want so much info from you? Here is a recent story: A family was referred to me for their eviction case. They were heading to a jury trial in one month and didn't have a lawyer, yet. They did all the paperwork and filing themselves, in-house to save on legal fees. And surprisingly, they did a great job. They filed the paperwork with LAHD. Gave proper notice to the tenants. I reviewed their paperwork and it was better quality than 90% of other eviction lawyers. I didn't see any viable way to dismiss the case on a technicality. As long as they were properly represented in trial, the family was going to win the eviction. They did everything by the book. Followed all the local rules. Gave all the necessary notices. The family told me the judge ordered the parties to mediate at the first court appearance. The family attended the mediation in court without a lawyer. The tenant was provided a lawyer by the city, for free. At the mediation the lawyer for the tenants offered this settlement: 1. 4 months to vacate the property 2. Cash to leave, paid upfront 3. Waiver of all owed rent 4. Sealed record They rejected the offer, of course. Why would they accept this? The family then asked me a great question. "What is our best case scenario with you in trial?" Based on my review, I gave them my most realistic estimate of the best case scenario in trial: 1. Both parties announce ready at the next trial date (1 month away) and trial takes 3 days. We win the trial. 2. Sheriff locks out the tenant 75 days after the trial. 3. about 110 days to possession. 4. Gave them an estimate cost for fees/prep time. 5. No viable collection of back rent, tenants had no assets. Obviously, this was the best case scenario. It could be worse. Trial can be delayed. While I was confident we are going to win, juries are unpredictable. This is where we had a surreal moment of collective clarity. The settlement offer they rejected is basically their best case scenario if they win the trial. This was not a coincidence. The attorney for the tenants asked for pretty much the same amount I quoted them for my fees. The lawyer for the tenants knew the family had to hire a lawyer for a jury trial. The lawyer knows it takes the sheriff 2-3 months to lockout after a judgment. The lawyer knows it's hard (and expensive) to collect against tenants with no assets. State and local government created a system in which cases take forever to litigate, eviction laws are extremely complex and technical, easy to dismiss cases, only one side has to pay a lawyer, and worst of all, possession enforcement takes 60-90 days instead of 5. And it's all getting worse. The leverage for the tenants is systemic. It's by design. Why would the tenants make any other offer? The landlords are left with no real options but a shitty settlement. There are no real choice. Even when you do everything right, you still lose. Tenants don't pay rent during evictions. They had no viable way to win the trial. There were no habitability issues. The landlords posted all the notices. Never raised the rent. Didn't retaliate. The landlords did everything right. And the tenants still win. The mother looked at me and asked "our base case in trial is the same as the shitty settlement offer? Are you telling me we should have taken the offer we rejected?" I didn't know how to respond.

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@thallpaint @BernardGoldberg I posted that link because you denied the story and said there must be more. Just sticking to that issue, am I right that you now retract that claim?
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tammy hall@thallpaint·
@OrinKerr @BernardGoldberg Persuasive how? It’s the 250th anniversary of the country it sounds like a good idea to me. I bet if it was a president you supported you would be fine with it.
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tammy hall@thallpaint·
@BernardGoldberg We don’t hate trump like you do so it’s not embarrassing at all. Also the statement is from the AP so its a guarantee that there’s more to the story than the headline. The AP is trash. They’re embarrassing
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@thomaschattwill Honor of having the inaugural winner of the America First award sign its currency.
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PacoFuentes74@PFuentes74·
@OrinKerr Except the federal 4th amendment doesn't apply. It didn't need to, it wasn't considered. The decision was that it was a violation of the Oregon Constitution.
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Person uses unencrypted wifi (no password) of nearby restaurant to download CSAM. Restaurant notices, alerts cops, logs future downloads. Oregon SCT: Restaurant's monitoring violated the Oregon state constitution, which is broader than federal 4th Am. storage.courtlistener.com/pdf/2026/03/26… #N
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John Barach
John Barach@John_Barach·
As a copy editor and proofreader, I sympathize. I am quite Tyr'd a lot of the time, too. Perhaps you could proofread the book for yourself as you read it?
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Zoe Tillman
Zoe Tillman@ZoeTillman·
After the US atty's office in Manhattan told a judge that it had been relying for months on apparently incorrect information in a fight over immigration court arrests -- and blamed ICE for the "error" -- the judge has ordered the USAO and ICE to preserve their records buff.ly/9q4ZmGJ
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Orin Kerr@OrinKerr·
I guess I find the "but for" argument too broad. Lots of things are but for causes, but we don't normally say but for causes trigger liability. (I am taking the time to write back to you because you replied to me, and without your reply, I would not be taking my time to write back; but that's on me, not on you.) Anyway, I don't have strong views on this, and I appreciate the exchange!
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Internet Ethics
Internet Ethics@IEthics·
@OrinKerr None of this is to say that the distinctions are simple or clear. And I appreciate the need for a clearer theory of "content."
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Orin Kerr@OrinKerr·
With apologies if I'm missing something, I'm not sure of the difference. I assume the purpose of opposing the function is to prevent the decision of the user: if you want to stop people from doing this, you persuade Instagram to remove the easy way to do that. Or so I was assuming, this isn't my area.
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Internet Ethics@IEthics·
@OrinKerr What do you mean by "opposing that"? We are talking about opposing the provision of the filter function, right, not the opposing of the decision by the user?
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As I read the link you provided, Instagram provides filters/tools that allow users to make face pictures seem more attractive. So users who submit a picture can decide to have it turned into a different, better-looking picture. I don't know if opposing that is a content limitation; it depends on what your theory of content is, I suppose. What is the correct theory of content, in your view?
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Orin Kerr@OrinKerr·
Duke Ellington, "Single Petal of a Rose," from The Queen's Suite (1959), with Ellington on piano and Jimmy Woode on bass. youtube.com/watch?v=QOA_Ba…
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@IEthics Can you say more about the line between design and content?
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Internet Ethics@IEthics·
@OrinKerr Did you add your own dark patterns to your feed? Some of the design choices flagged are infinite scrolling, notifications, beauty filters, etc. Pretty distinct from content.
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Orin Kerr@OrinKerr·
@Longfellow45850 @BarrientosTX So if I respond to you now to get you to spend time replying back to me, maximizing your engagement time here at @OrinKerr, I am liable? P.S. I have an amazing joke you will want me to tell you. It's incredible. Happy to say it if you reply.
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@OrinKerr @BarrientosTX In earnest, have you watched Social Dilemma? If you have not, educate at least that much. The trigger for reviewability is "do you have an algorithm that tweaks what it shows people, how it notifies, etc, to max their engagement time?"
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Orin Kerr@OrinKerr·
NEW AT SSRN: With the geofence warrant case being argued at SCOTUS this spring, I'm pleased to be able to post Chapter 9 of "The Digital Fourth Amendment," on how courts should interpret Carpenter v. United States, the CSLI case—and how to apply it. papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cf…
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CBS News
CBS News@CBSNews·
A Michigan judge was shocked when a woman joined for a court appearance on Wednesday while driving, and lied about it. The woman, identified as Kimberly Carroll, adamantly denies that she is driving but when asked to show the driver, she pulls over in a gas station and steps out of the driver's side of the car, still denying the claim. In response, Judge Michael McNally entered a judgement by default because the woman was lying to him.
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@evansantoslaw (I should add that most of my tweets are reporting on court decisions, so it's not clear it's my content at all: I'm just the designer of a delivery system of someone else's content that I curate for my designed service.)
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@evansantoslaw Like most authors, I write to try to attract and retain readers by crafting my contributions in a way that makes them want to come back. I guess I don't understand why that doesn't make my social media feed intentionally engineered for compulsive use.
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