
Dan King
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Dan King
@pbrey3o
Thinking about progress through error correction
United States Katılım Ocak 2013
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@Anglothule High IQ people with bad ideas can be more dangerous than lower IQ people with similar ideas.
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Nazi Generals at nuremberg had an average IQ of 128
They were as “racist” as you can get.

Desirée@OfficialDesiree
Racism is a sign of low intelligence.
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The Asymmetries of Moral Obligation: Birthrights, Children, and Immigration
The prevailing explanation for why advanced societies owe opportunities, resources, and citizenship to foreigners begins with a bad explanation: that citizens of prosperous countries were simply lucky to be born in high-performing societies. From this flows claim that the “lucky” have a moral obligation to the “unlucky,” with little regard for the cultural ideas that produced the prosperity in the first place.
Your primary duty is to your own children: to protect the non-coercive conditions under which their creativity and error correction can flourish. Those conditions were created and sustained by people making particular choices across generations. They are not randomly distributed. It is not luck that you were born into a society with traditions of open criticism, rule of law, scientific thinking, high-trust cooperation, and institutions that limit coercion. You exist because of a specific genealogical and cultural lineage—the cumulative decisions of ancestors who chose to build, innovate, cooperate under certain norms, and transmit the knowledge and institutions that yielded better outcomes.
The hypothetical “How would you feel if you had been born in a different country?” erases the conditions that make you who you are. If you had been born there, you would have been raised in a different framework of knowledge and culture and you would be different. The geographic-lottery view erases agency and the role of better ideas being selected for through error correction over generations.
Societies that developed and retained traditions of open criticism created compounding advantages precisely because those traditions allow ideas to be criticized and improved rather than protected from scrutiny. Children born into such societies inherit knowledge, institutions, and norms that make further progress more readily achievable. Future generations have a direct interest in its continuation. Progress is not automatic. The institutions and norms that enable it require active maintenance and continuous solving of new problems.
Children enter conscious existence without prior consent. This is not inherently immoral, but the decision to bring a child into existence creates an asymmetry: the parents are responsible for the conditions in which that child learns. There is no fundamental distinction between children and adults in terms of how they grow their knowledge. Coercion impedes that process. The moral obligation arising from procreation is therefore to provide and protect the non-coercive conditions under which the child can function as a full, sovereign problem-solver. A society’s parallel duty is to safeguard the tradition of criticism itself, the practice that allows tolerance, science, morality, and institutions to advance through criticism rather than authority.
There is no equivalent moral responsibility to foreigners as there is to one’s own children. But there is a lesser, qualitatively different moral obligation that dynamic societies have to foreigners born into impoverished or static societies: it consists primarily in refraining from interference that would block access to better explanations and, where feasible, in sharing the knowledge of how traditions of criticism generate progress, to the extent that people in those societies are interested in receiving it.
There is no moral obligation to grant foreigners membership, political voice, or resources equivalent to those owed to one’s children or citizens. Even foreigners who have adopted our core values deserve no automatic right of entry. Admission remains a discretionary choice for the existing citizens. While this lack of moral obligation does not categorically preclude immigration, it does require that immigration be selective and beneficial to the continuation of that tradition of criticism.
An open society can gain from inflows of people who have adopted its values and are net contributors. Borders and selection mechanisms exist precisely to make genuine tolerance and openness sustainable over time. Without criteria that favor compatibility, inflows risk importing deeper cultural ideas of authority, in-group coercion, violence, or rejection of open scrutiny that resist integration and necessitate greater top-down coercion to manage resulting conflicts. Birthright citizenship in the U.S. grants full membership by geography alone, which mistakes birthplace for birthright.
Providing foreign humanitarian aid is not a moral obligation, but when freely chosen by individuals or countries, it can be an effective way to offer compassion to those in different countries. However, indiscriminate humanitarian aid frequently acts as an institutional subsidy for stagnation. By propping up corrupt rules, policies, and anti-rational systems, aid can protect dysfunctional rulers from the consequences of their bad ideas. It can artificially sustain the equilibrium of a static society, delaying the very crises that would otherwise pressure those systems to reform and adopt traditions of open criticism.
There is a profound difference between one’s own children or citizens adopting mistaken ideas and the importation of adults carrying deeply incompatible cultural ideas. An American who goes to college and embraces anti-capitalism or other errors can still be engaged through criticism within a shared framework: common language, parenting norms, legal expectations, and the background understanding that ideas must survive scrutiny. By contrast, importing people whose childhood embedded deep anti-rational memes that disable critical faculties rather than withstand them can undermine the conditions for criticism itself.
Moral obligations are asymmetric. They arise from the specific relationships and inherited traditions we are responsible for maintaining, most immediately with our children, and by extension with the citizens who create and sustain the framework that allows creativity, criticism, and progress to continue. The geographic-lottery explanation obscures these asymmetries and the agency that built the prosperity in question.
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The same mistake appears in the claim that “there is no cosmic purpose; the universe is indifferent.” It’s literally true but the wrong emphasis. It correctly rejects divine purpose while ignoring what actually matters: people create explanatory knowledge that can understand and transform reality without limit.
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In his 2005 TED talk, David Deutsch critiques Hawking’s claim that we are just “chemical scum” on an insignificant planet. It’s literally true in a narrow physical sense, but the emphasis is wrong. “Scum” is a pejorative that misses the real point: knowledge-creating minds, through conjecture and criticism, have unbounded reach and cosmic significance.
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Apocalypto and some pre-70's films were partial exceptions. Now, when these stories do get made, they’re often watered down or framed to heavily emphasize Western flaws and romanticize other cultures.
It’s driven by the view that all cultures are equivalent and comparative judgment is off-limits, not by lack of audience interest.
Which other historical events should be made into movies?
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Hollywood largely avoids stories that force clear judgments about why some civilizations lead to progress and human flourishing while others are objectively worse. Some that would make great movies:
- The Reconquista ending Muslim rule in Spain
- Britain’s abolition of slavery and naval campaign against the Atlantic slave trade
- Mao’s Great Leap Forward
- The Arab and East African slave trades
- Pizarro and the Incas
- Barbary raids on Europe
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@RykerJackson97 Mormonism emerged out of 19th-century American Protestantism.
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Latter-day Saints aren’t Traditional Christians. They are Restorationist Christians.
This is a distinct tradition that aims to bypass centuries of church councils and follow the Jesus found in the New Testament.
Traditional Christianity is defined largely by church councils held hundreds of years after Christ walked the earth. These councils produced creeds, formal checklists of belief meant to draw hard boundaries around who Jesus is. The most famous, the Nicene Creed, decided that the Father and Son are the exact same "substance."
Latter-day Saints see the creeds as additions made centuries after the apostles, ones that moved Christianity away from the Jesus described in the New Testament.
Ironically, while critics often claim the Latter-day Saint Jesus is somehow lesser, many scholars see it the other way.
The late Catholic theologian Stephen Webb observed that the Book of Mormon is utterly obsessed with Jesus Christ. Not reverent. Not focused. Obsessed. He noted that while many modern traditional denominations have actually softened the divinity of Jesus, treating him more like a nice moral teacher, Latter-day Saints have gone in the opposite direction.
Webb observed that their Jesus is maximalist. He is the Creator, the God of the Old Testament, and the literal Savior of the whole world. The Latter-day Saint Jesus isn't a diluted version of the Christian one. It isn't a "different Jesus" because he is less. It's a "different Jesus" because he is so central to the faith that it can be startling to outsiders.
The Moderate Case@TheModerateCase
Mormons are not Christians, sorry.
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How to Become Enlightened (For Individuals and Societies)
1. Localized Criticism: Apply criticism and error-correction to just one domain. This leads to knowledge growth.
2. The Clash: That open mindset collides with closed domains still ruled by dogma, coercion, and authority, where questioning is forbidden.
3. The Breakout: Open all domains to criticism. Fragile, bad ideas collapse and are replaced by better explanations.
4. Optimism: The process never stops. No idea is immune to criticism.
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Trying to force yourself to sleep almost always backfires. But if you optimize your environment with a dark room, no screens, and a consistent routine, sleep happens naturally.
The same principle applies to cultural change. Rather than attacking a bad idea directly, it is almost always more effective to alter the ecosystem in which that idea lives and competes.
America got this wrong when we imposed a U.S.-style constitution on Afghanistan without addressing the underlying culture. Top-down democracy doesn’t stick without the cultural knowledge to support it.
Elon Musk got this right with Twitter. By removing top-down constraints on speech and allowing open criticism to act as the error-correction mechanism, the Overton window shifted on its own.
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