Peter Ofray
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Peter Ofray
@peterockstar
“Happy are those conscious of their spiritual need….” Matt 5:3
Planet Earth Katılım Eylül 2016
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@peterockstar @FastHorseAtDusk @McClureShawn If I just say yes to shut you up will you stop. Genuinely not sure what you're even saying "in order to trust science you need to have faith in religion" or SOMETHING like that I can't even tell
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No one—let me repeat: NO ONE—knows that a Creator "exists because of individual beliefs in him". Belief alone can't impart knowledge. WIDESPREAD belief can't impart knowledge. Don't get your doxastic chariot before your epistemic ass, theists. And FFS, learn how to logic.
Jonah Davis@YonaThaNightBo
@Thrilling_pen @Cervus2Leo @Michael54905936 @McClureShawn I’ll answer it for him. We don’t know where our creator came from but we know he exists because of our individual beliefs in him. Now the problem is everyone wants to project themselves into what you believe or even worse bash you for it. But I hope you guys the best!
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@FastHorseAtDusk @Rattshrakk @McClureShawn Explaining belief as gullibility doesn’t show it’s false, it avoids engaging the arguments
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@peterockstar @Rattshrakk @McClureShawn As far as religious claims go, I think they rely a lot more on wishful thinking and people's gullibility than persuasive evidence. I don't find religious claims plausible.
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Science is the best tool for studying the natural world, but it’s not the only way to know things. Logic, mathematics, and philosophy provide non empirical knowledge, and even the claim that ‘only science works’ isn’t itself scientific. So saying religious claims are invalid because they aren’t testable by science assumes a philosophical position, not a scientific one.
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@peterockstar @Rattshrakk @McClureShawn There is nothing wrong with faith and hope. And logic is only as good as the thinker (and we're all fallible). The scientific method is the best way we have of finding out how things work in this world. Most religious claims cannot be tested by the scientific method.
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@peterockstar @FastHorseAtDusk @McClureShawn "well TECHNICALLY you can maybe call this faith so-"
Absolutely splitting hairs just take the L
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@Rattshrakk @FastHorseAtDusk @McClureShawn Scientists rely on trust in the consistency of nature, the reliability of their senses, and the soundness of logic, assumptions necessary for science to function. As previously mentioned trust is one of the words used to define faith. Faith is not blind as many tend to believe.
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@peterockstar @FastHorseAtDusk @McClureShawn They don't have "faith" in a particular branch of knowledge science is built on repeatable verifiable facts that compound.
Imagine if every time we sent a plane up into the air we just had "faith" that everyone wasn't about to die
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@GodlessEngineer Ancient history rarely has eyewitnesses. Paul’s letters and the Gospels give multiple confirmations, enough for historians to reason about Jesus’ life.
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There are no independent eyewitness testimonies for Jesus of Nazareth.
There are only claims of a revelatory Christ Jesus.
Paul never met a human Jesus. The Gospels were written decades later by anonymous authors who weren't there. Every piece of early "evidence" traces back …
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Revelation 4:11 “..Because you created all things”
Hebrews 1:2 “He has spoken to us by means of his son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the system of things”
Who’s the ‘he’ in this verse that Jesus spoke for? That appointed Jesus heir? And created through Jesus? (John 1:3; Col 1:16;)
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@peterockstar @Oluwadaniel_0 What divine name? Jehovah God?
Did you place that places that was meant to prove Jesus is God?
Like Revelation 4:11 "Thou are worthy o LORD (inserts: Jehovah God).
Paul, Peter etc calls Jesus our LORD, severally.
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There’s only one God.
His name is not Allah.
His name is not Buddha.
His name is not Krishna.
His name is Jehovah.
His Son’s name is Jesus.
Talk Church@churchtalkative
There’s only one God. His name is not Allah. His name is not Buddha. His name is not Krishna. His name is Jesus.
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Faith is tied to knowledge, it’s translated as conveying the thought of, confidence, trust, firm persuasion. Scientists have faith on a particular branch of science, they base new experiments on past discoveries and look for new discoveries on the bases of those things already established.
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@peterockstar @FastHorseAtDusk @McClureShawn That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Does not matter how much my faith convinces me I can fly if I fall to my death
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It’s true that believing something alone doesn’t make it true. But belief is still part of knowing, without belief, knowledge is impossible. The key is justification, a well-supported belief can be knowledge, whereas a random or erroneous belief, like water boiling at 50°C, is just error.
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@peterockstar @FastHorseAtDusk @McClureShawn If I believe water will boil at 50°C it doesn't make it true, same for a room full of people or half the country
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@Mila_Zonderling @McClureShawn Premises in theistic philosophy are usually drawn from debates in Metaphysics. Causation ,contingency, necessity, moral realism aren’t arbitrary, they’re heavily analyzed across philosophy
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@peterockstar @McClureShawn In the sense of flawed reasoning, syllogisms with unsupportable premises, false dichotomies and silly binaries, erroneous dependency on classical (secular) logic, too much to mention in a single tweet.
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Theists love to talk philosophy because it help masks the insufficiency and invalidity of their arguments with a façade of articulate deepity. If you weave enough words and tangled verbosity around weak and faulty claims, you can fake a semblance of credibility with the masses.
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@iamAtheistGirl If you believe God doesn’t exist, atheism is a belief
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atheism is a belief system like bald is a hair color
Bob Golen@BobGolen
Is atheism a belief system?
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@peterockstar @McClureShawn Theistic philosophy is a showcase for flawed reasoning. I use it in workshops and lectures.
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@Mila_Zonderling @McClureShawn Do you like theistic philosophy?
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@peterockstar @McClureShawn You don't know what views I don't like.
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@FastHorseAtDusk @McClureShawn Do you think knowledge involves believing something is true?
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@peterockstar @McClureShawn He's not saying we can't have knowledge; he's saying belief is not a way of knowing. I agree with this.
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@Mila_Zonderling @McClureShawn There are theists like Plantinga and Swinburne and many throughout history who are widely respected in analytic philosophy. You don’t have to agree with them, but dismissing them as ‘not doing philosophy’ is just redefining the field to exclude views you don’t like.
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@McClureShawn Theists don't talk philosophy, they think they do, they claim they do, they bluff they do but they don't fool anyone who has a basic background in philosophy. They also claim to be champions in logic which makes me ROTFLOL.
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@Wendytartar @Oluwadaniel_0 Does your Bible have the divine name?
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@Oluwadaniel_0 Your JEHOVAH'S WITNESS BIBLE tried so hard to remove the status of Jesus as God.
Adding words that changed meanings. And changing words.
That is an affront to the honor of Christ and a sin.
WARNING: Hebrews 4:1, Rev. 22:18-19
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@Branch_Dwidian @CaptFligh @CounselExc21945 @McClureShawn Can your measurement prove its own calibration, the reliability of your instruments, and the stability of the laws you’re using, without assuming them?
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@CaptFligh @CounselExc21945 @peterockstar @McClureShawn This is irrelevant to the discussion.
Today at work, my team and I completed a project where we designed, built and tested a machine that can tell the sulfur content of a diesel sample down to .018 PPM. That scientific accuracy does not come from assumptions. Do you understand?
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Metaphysics = inventing answers
Physics = finding answers
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@McClureShawn Personal conclusion does not equate to universal rule.
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Christians often say if you seek "honestly and diligently", you'll find God. Nope. I sought honestly and diligently after being a Christian for 25+ years and eventually found God to be fictional. The Christian "honestly" is almost always synonymous with "presuppositionally".
Hingle McCringleberry@HingleMcCr64580
@McClureShawn Good point Imagine the different possibilities of creation. Contemplate, question, research, seek to understand If you’ve indeed approached this investigation honestly and diligently, it will still lead you back to God
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