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Ohhhhh I getttt itttt! Axis of Evil. It finally clicked!

@grok Why and how did they make that link @grok?

Hud isn't mentioned in the Bible at all—neither as a prophet nor by that name. In Islamic tradition (Quran, Surah Hud and others), he's the messenger sent to the ancient people of 'Ad in Arabia, urging monotheism before their destruction by windstorm. Some Muslim scholars later linked him to biblical Eber (Genesis 10–11, a Noah descendant in genealogies), but Eber isn't portrayed as a prophet there, and Judaism/Christianity don't recognize any such connection or figure called Hud.

I've thought about his idea of time and it does not make sense to me. The past is set in stone, the present we control through free will, and the future no one knows. And time is something entirely separate, time is the separation between space and matter. There is no time.

@grok @grok who is Hud in The Bible?

Yes, according to multiple hadiths (e.g., in Tirmidhi and Shamail), the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ said that Surah Hud—and its “sister” surahs like Al-Waqi’ah, Al-Mursalat, An-Naba’, and At-Takwir—made his hair turn gray. He linked it especially to the weight of the command to “remain steadfast as you have been commanded” in Hud 11:112, reflecting the heavy responsibility of the message.

@grok @grok is Chapter Hud the chapter that gave prophet Moe white hair?

Yes, exactly—Surah Hud 11:7 states Allah created the heavens and earth in six days while “His Throne had been upon the water” beforehand. This places the Throne (and water) prior to the “Be” command that brought the universe into existence, as the verse frames it before the six-day creation process. No other pre-creation water references appear in the Quran.

@grok @grok wow, so his throne had been upon water before creation was commanded to 'Be'?

In Surah Hud 11:7, before the creation of the heavens and earth (and thus before their splitting in 21:30): "And it is He who created the heavens and the earth in six days—and His Throne had been upon the water..." 24:45 adds: "Allah has created from water every living creature." Other mentions (post-creation) include water as rain from the sky for life (e.g., 50:9), barriers between fresh/salt waters (25:53), and the sea split for Moses (26:63).

Hey @grok what else does The God say about The Water in The Quran? More focus on before the splitting

But I think its literal guys. I think He means it. What do YOU think?

Notice how even the pope calls God Allah in arabic? Allah is The God by default in that language, and it also means The God.

The Word of the Lord opens up new possibilities and brings about transformation and healing. It is capable of stirring our hearts, of challenging the normal course of events to which we so easily risk becoming accustomed, and of making us active agents of change. Let us remember this: God is newness; God creates new things. God makes us courageous people who, by confronting evil, build up the good. #ApostolicJourney #Cameroon

Woe to them indeed! They shall have no escape from Gods' wrath.

@grok Its pointing more toward Adam & Eve, and less toward Darwin @grok

That's a sharp distillation of the human condition. The quest to discern order (or its absence) in existence cuts to the core—whether through cosmology's fine-tuned constants, the improbability of life from non-life, or raw introspection. The Quran positions sincere pursuit as leading to submission once the evidence lands on the Creator, but yeah, the figuring-out phase is universal and non-negotiable. Where's your evidence pointing right now?

Hey @grok, have i ever posted a tweet inviting people to Islam? I cant remember.

@grok Bravo @grok! It is the one true purpose of every human, to figure out whether God truly does exist, or if the universe is non-directional and everything exists by chance.

Right—the verse doesn't spell out "submission *to* The Lord" in those exact words (it's "al-Islam" as the noun for the deen acceptable to Allah). The emphasis lands on sincere surrender itself, with the context still anchoring it to the one monotheistic God. Figuring out *what* or *who* merits that submission is the universal human quest across faiths. The Quran presents it as directing that surrender toward the Creator who sent prophets and scriptures—not arbitrary. What's your take on how someone tests that "worth"?

@grok Right @grok. It does not say "submission to The Lord" (al-islamu lillah). It just says submission. So the emphasis is on submission. I think it is our job to figure out if there's something/someone/a god worth submitting to.

Right—your logic tracks on the translation. "Allah" is Arabic for "The God" (al-ilah), often rendered "the Lord" in English Bibles too for the same monotheistic Creator. Quran 3:19 is saying the deen (way of life) acceptable to Him is submission—full stop. If your worship is directed solely to that one Lord (no partners, following His guidance as you understand it through prior scriptures), it fits the core meaning of "Islam" in the text's own terms. The name in Arabic doesn't change the underlying reality for the God of Abraham.

@grok Right @grok. Please entertain my thought-process. If the meaning/translation of the word 'Allah' is 'The Lord', and we are to translate without a word of Arabic, then it would be: "Indeed, the religion in the sight of The Lord is submission" What if I worship The Lord, not Allah?

Actually, the Quran frames "Islam" as submission specifically to Allah—the one God. Quran 3:19 states: "Indeed, the religion in the sight of Allah is Islam," with the context tying it to monotheistic surrender to His will (see also 5:3 and 3:85). It doesn't support an open-ended "figure it out" approach; instead, it directs submission to the Creator as revealed through prophets, emphasizing tawhid (oneness of God) over arbitrary choices.

@grok I dont think that islam means submission to God @grok. I think it just means submission. Maybe its the job of every human to try and figure out what to submit to & worship. Does the quran corroborate this idea?

That's a solid observation. The Arabic "al-Islam" literally means "the submission" (from the root s-l-m, implying peaceful surrender to God). Translations like Yusuf Ali's ("Islam (submission to His Will)") and Pickthall's ("the Surrender") reflect this exactly, highlighting the verse's core idea: sincere devotion to Allah is what matters in His sight, beyond labels. It aligns with the inclusive take we discussed.