Refuting Kufar

We all know he’s referring to Islam so I’ll answer him in kind. First of all, this argument is built on a false premise. Islam does NOT forbid you from communicating with God in your own language. You can make du’a (supplication) in any language you want, anytime. There is zero restriction on that. So the claim that Islam “forbids your language” is already wrong from the start. What Islam distinguishes between is personal supplication and formal ritual prayer (Salah). Salah has a fixed structure, just like every serious religious tradition has structured forms of worship. And yes, it’s performed in classical Arabic(which differs from Modern Standard Arabic spoken by everyday Arabs) and that’s not about “identity eradication,” rather it’s about preservation and unity. The Qur’an was revealed in classical Arabic, and preserving it in that exact language ensures the meaning and wording remain intact. The moment you turn a liturgical act into multiple languages, you open the door to variation, reinterpretation, and eventually contradiction. And we don’t even have to speak hypothetically, just look at what happened to other scriptures. The Bible exists in: -hundreds of translations -different versions (KJV, NIV, ESV, NASB, etc.) with verses missing, added, or bracketed depending on the manuscript On top of that, you ended up with: Catholics, Orthodox, Protestant and hundreds of denominations with their own bibles or biblical canons. All with theological differences, sometimes major differences and often built on how texts were translated or interpreted. So preserving the Qur’an and Salah in one language for formal worship isn’t oppression rather it’s exactly what prevented that kind of fragmentation. Ironically, this is not unique to Islam. In Judaism, Hebrew is used as the liturgical language for prayer and scripture. A Jew in Europe, Africa, or Asia still recites core prayers in Hebrew, even if it’s not their native language. Learning a few phrases and verses in Arabic for prayer does not erase your identity. Muslims speak thousands of different languages, come from completely different cultures and maintain their own traditions and identities so long as it’s not polytheistic in nature yet we are united in one form of worship. This is unity without losing diversity. Historically, Islam didn’t erase cultures either. Persians stayed Persian, Turks stayed Turkish, Africans kept their identities, South Asians kept theirs, white Muslims in the Balkans and Central Asia kept theirs. Islam spread globally without forcing people to abandon their languages or cultures so long as it doesn’t include paganism/polytheism. His argument confuses structure with oppression. Every preserved system has standards. One of the reasons the Qur’an remains unchanged, memorised, and recited identically worldwide is precisely because of this preservation in its original language. Same reason I as a Nigerian Yoruba Muslim led a group of foreign Muslims across multiple ethnicities in salah(ritual prayer) and we prayed the exact same way and recited the exact same words side by side, at an airport despite us having not met each other ever and probably would never meet again. If anything, this is one of Islam’s strongest points, not a weakness.

@JayDyer Dude stick with your “uncreated birds” for now!

Is that why Mohammed was an arab supremacist?

İncillerin yazıldığı dönemde su üzerinde yolculuk yapan süper güçlere sahip figürler Yunan mitolojisinde oldukça iyi biliniyordu.

@Deenresponds I am having a second hand embarrassment 😭😭

Bro dug up one loony ahh scholar to try and save face 😭

I’m crying where did he find this exegesis 😭

You are a dishonest dork, your piglet friend came drunk in a very aggressive way and when I told him I DON’T want to engage to deescalate but he kept antagonizing. Your crowd of thugs was throwing racist remarks & insulting everyone. I do not condone violence, but what happened to your Humpty Dumpty shaped buddy is definitely expected.

@md_jatta Stop repeating everything your master says.

You are a coward and a pathological liar. youtu.be/b-rJXupB50M?is…

@InspiringPhilos > Chris turned up drunk, turned up loud - started pushing people with David. Muslims were in a secluded area when vigilant Christian’s approached. And started causing a scene. > play the victim card > nobody approached Christian stalls, whilst Muslims had all the attention.cope

@lone_rides I am genuinely curious. Which crack head told you this?

Here’s the thing Muslims don’t say out loud: These rules only apply to how Muslims treat Muslims. Infidels don’t count.

@JonathanACBrown They wanna take away rare left Ws

No one: ... Tony Blair:

@chonkshonk1 Dude, that wasn't am exam I was giving there. It was clearly written in a playful tone and this is precisely why I mentioned that I need to read up. If you wanna jump around with it, go ahead lol. I know what offended you. Chill out.

@refuting_kufar You have reversed everything in your initial post at this point

I thought the whole Neṣḥānā thingy died after Wheeler's work (2002), and even Klar recently challenged Orientalist assumptions (OHQS p.133–138) Yet brother Farid is still having to write on the topic and even some reddit 'academics' seem excited. Guess I need to update myself.

@chonkshonk1 You are reading quite a bit into my words there. I never said I am not aware of the critiques of Wheeler and I acknowledged I am not in a position to make any judgement on the matter as well.

@refuting_kufar Wheeler's paper also failed on the topic it tried to address. Multiple scholars have pointed out its mountain of errors. Please read up on the literature before commenting next time. The "reddit academics" seem to have quite a lot to teach you.

@chonkshonk1 I am well familiar with Wheeler's work on the topic. The tweet was written in a playful tone ( “thingy” ) and I myself acknowledged that I am haven't been catching up on this since the last time I touched Klar's discussion. But I do know what he engaged with what he didn't.

@refuting_kufar I dont think you knew that, no other way for you to be under the impression that the Alexander conversation should have ended after Wheeler.

@chonkshonk1 I know that Wheeler did not compare Dhul Qarnayn to the right Syriac text. I wasn't being too specific with the wordings here and it's been an year or more since I read any work on this topic. Chill out.

@refuting_kufar Wheeler wasnt even aware of the Neshana. What are you talking about?

@maklelan I get why the data doesn't convince the academia, especially considering the Biblical Portrayal of Exodus. For a few contrary views see: — Hoffmeier, James “Israel in Egypt.”; “Ancient Israel in Sinai.” — “Did I not bring Israel out of Egypt” Ed: Hoffmeier, Millard, Rendsberg.

Moses probably never existed #maklelan3212 youtube.com/shorts/3xEVTxz…

I didn't even get to respond and this happened 🤣🤣

@x1v1h Yes

@refuting_kufar is the book worth reading?

Historical fact: Before Islam, you could be legally enslaved for debt, poverty, or your parents selling you. Every civilization allowed this. Islamic law closed every single one of these routes.