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The entire argument rests on one assumption: that musaddiq (confirmation) means the Quran is authenticating the current biblical text. It doesn’t. Once that falls, everything else falls with it. Musaddiq in Arabic means to confirm the truth of something, its message, its essential content etc, It is not a notarial endorsement of a document. When the Quran says it confirms what came before, it confirms the original divine revelation given to Musa and Isa, not the compiled, translated, edited canon that exists today. This distinction is not a Muslim escape hatch invented later, the Quran itself establishes it, which means the argument is internally incoherent. Now Apply It to Every Verse S. 2:41 / 4:47 “confirming what is with you” The confirmation is of the divine message those books originally carried. Musaddiq never means “I certify this document is uncorrupted.” The Quran confirming the Torah’s divine origin is not the same as the Quran saying every word in the current Torah is intact. S. 5:43-47 / 5:66-68 “judge by it / uphold it” These verses are actually a rebuke. Allah is telling them: you have a divine law and you’re not even following it. This presupposes deviation has already occurred. You don’t rebuke someone for not following something you just certified as perfectly preserved. S. 2:85 “partial belief condemned” Read the context. This is about Banu Israel applying their own law selectively based on tribal politics accepting rulings that favored them, rejecting ones that didn’t. It has nothing to do with Muslim attitude toward biblical manuscripts. Importing it into a textual preservation argument is a contextual category error. S. 10:94 “ask those who read before you” Ibn Abbas, Ibn Kathir, and the classical consensus read this as: the People of the Book carry knowledge of the prophecies about Muhammad in their original scriptures. If you doubt your prophethood, they can confirm it. This is about prophetic witness, not a certificate of textual integrity for the modern Bible & the bible itself is not a revelation, the gospel is S. 6:115 “none can alter His words” Allah’s words in their original divine form are unalterable this is true. But the Quran itself tells you what humans did S. 2:79 “Woe to those who write the scripture with their own hands then say: this is from Allah” This is explicit textual corruption described inside the Quran. So 6:115 and 2:79 are not in tension, one describes the divine word’s inherent inviolability, the other describes humans fabricating text and falsely attributing it to God. Both are true simultaneously. The argument that 6:115 guarantees the Bible’s preservation collapses the moment you read 2:79. S. 3:78 “they twist their tongues” This argument actually doesn’t help you. Verbal misrepresentation and textual corruption are not mutually exclusive. 3:78 describes one mode of distortion. 2:79 describes another. The Quran condemns both. Using 3:78 to argue “only verbal twisting happened, not textual” requires ignoring 2:79 entirely. If the Quran truly confirms the entire biblical text as-is, then the argument destroys itself because: S. 15:9 says: “Indeed it is We who sent down the Quran and indeed We will be its guardian” This preservation promise is specific to the Quran. It is not extended to the Torah or Injeel. If the Bible were equally preserved, you would expect a parallel promise. There is none. The very specificity of 15:9 implies the prior scriptures do not have the same guarantee. If the Quran fully confirms the biblical text, what exactly were the scribes doing in S. 2:79 writing with their own hands and attributing it to Allah? You have two options. Either they say 2:79 describes something minor and inconsequential but the Quran says woe to them, which is a severe condemnation reserved for serious sin. Or you admit textual corruption occurred, which means musaddiq cannot mean what your argument requires it to mean. Either answer ends the argument.

@RachelBitecofer Lol. No.

You’d have price transparency if you had a government run healthcare system that you hate. Also, you would never get a bill.

@Stevman_90 @pabgianella @mohammed_hijab Bible is the standard. The CRITERION. Everything you believe is later added because your book failed.

@rudeboyardee @pabgianella @mohammed_hijab Red herrings! All of these are irrelevant to the argument! My book only instructs Christians to use the laws that are mentioned in both the bible and Qur’an by using the Qur’an as a CRITERION over it to judge and filter what is true or false. (including the Qur’an)

High School Dropout Caught Cheating Full Debate: youtu.be/vCBXJiSj3hI

@Stevman_90 @pabgianella @mohammed_hijab You have at least 3 Qurans now. Even after the many different versions were burned in an attempt to create the non changing narrative of the Quran. Your book instructs Jews and Christians to use the Bible. Using what the Quran tells us to do, your book is false.

@rudeboyardee @pabgianella @mohammed_hijab The only made up addisons are in the current bible mate! This was the Islamic position since the beginning! Even your Christian apologists admit that this is the positive which is Tabdeel and Tahreef like the prophet's companion said

@Stevman_90 @pabgianella @mohammed_hijab Lol. Corrupted and substituted. Made up additions to try and deal with the fact that your book contradicts real scripture.

@rudeboyardee @pabgianella @mohammed_hijab He did, the argument was simple and solid, that Islam never confirms the entirety of the scriptures but only the parts that survived corruption, this is why Hijab said the Qur’an is a criterion over the previous scriptures like the Qur’an and the exegesis scholars say.

@randomdogginess @Atomsmade @krubner Sounds good man.

@rudeboyardee @Atomsmade @krubner Science points to origins which is NOT the same as a "beginning" - that reframe is just a word game. And Darwin could have written "it was all a joke!! Suckers!!" and evolutionary theory - having moved FAR past Darwin - would be JUST as valid and effective today.

I'm a convinced atheist and here is my drop: The world looks exactly as it should if no gods/god exist. Cold, indifferent, and brutally random. Stars explode and wipe out entire planets for no reason. Kids get cancer while rapists live to 90. One tiny rock in a sea of deadly vacuum somehow sprouts life that mostly suffers and dies. Atoms are 99.9% empty space, wasteful bullshit. Prayers change nothing. Miracles only happen in stories or blurry videos. If an all-powerful, all-loving God was running things, we’d see order, justice, and mercy. Instead we see chaos, suffering, and silence. Exactly what blind physics and dumb luck would produce. No divine architect. No cosmic parent watching over us. Just a messy universe doing its thing, and us temporary bags of meat trying to make sense of it before we blink out forever. That's reality. Deal with it.

@Stevman_90 @pabgianella @mohammed_hijab Islam appeals to the previous scriptures. It points reader to the scripture to verify its authenticity. Then it contradicts the Bible. This is a bad position for you. This is where your emotions and bias come into play. You’re blinded by them.

@Stevman_90 @pabgianella @mohammed_hijab Hijab didn’t really put forth an argument. He thought he could get by on charisma and insults. It didn’t work. He clearly lost. His actions during and after prove this even without knowing Islam.

@randomdogginess @Atomsmade @krubner Those are my thoughts for sure. Science is awesome and I’m always open to to what’s coming from the community. I may not be up to date on the latest, but Darwinism seems to still be a leading theory (goo)and from what I can tell, science points to the universe having a beginning.

@rudeboyardee @Atomsmade @krubner "has to" is doing a LOT of heavy lifting there, and randomly inserting a deity is nonsense. Abstract thought isn't magic, and "goo" is from YOU - YOU are framing it in a way you can easily dismiss, without needing to understand or think about what scientists really think about.

@Stevman_90 @pabgianella @mohammed_hijab Knowing the basics of Islam don’t make sense. It’s a made up religion. An illiterate was convinced by a demon that he was a prophet. He overheard stories and put them in his book. He assumed his stories corroborated the stories of the Bible. Those are the basics of Islam.

@rudeboyardee @pabgianella @mohammed_hijab Exactly you "don't know" because there's no proof especially when MH's camera is far away, he doesn't have multiple screens like Avery How do you know he lost the debate when you don't even know the basics of Islam? 😂 He was literally schooling Avery in both English and Arabic

@Stevman_90 @pabgianella @mohammed_hijab We don’t know hijab wasn’t being sent things. He seemed to have multiple people in the room and on the stream with him. He lost the debate and is trying to save face. He can try to do better next time.

@rudeboyardee @pabgianella @mohammed_hijab So, this is completely different from having someone next to you or showing you a phone which is not a secret since it was done infornt of the camera to look up a reference. This not comparable to having screens behind the camera and googling things or friends sending you things

@Stevman_90 @pabgianella @mohammed_hijab So hijab tried to cheat as well. Even though he has 6 degrees and is intellectually unmatched. And he got beaten easily. All he’s doing now is damage control. Same thing he did when he got caught having a hotel wife. He’s not smart enough to realize he’s only making it worse.

@Stevman_90 @pabgianella @mohammed_hijab You could argue Hijab was doing the same. He had at least one other person in the room with him showing him information on his phone. He had at least one other person listening in and formulating rebuttals - the duck lips guy who tried to chime in at the end.

@Atomsmade @krubner If there was no scientific way for that to happen, it would point to a creator. Then, do you have free will? If the choice is made for you, how can you have it?

@Atomsmade @krubner It would be cool if kids didn’t get cancer or if animals didn’t die. But how would we make sense of that? Would we think cancer doesn’t happen until you get older and why is that? Would it make sense that animals never die or suffer?

@Kryptotajeer @mohammed_hijab Lame

@mohammed_hijab Watch how logic runaway while libyano was trying to exposed how he was fed up info.

Chat GPT Couldn't Save the Drop Out Apologist.

@mohammed_hijab You were defeated easily. Everyone has moved on.

@AlmahdiWesam Lol. No.

Watched the debate. While Hijab clearly won and dog logic was clearly getting answers from someone off screen: We need to beg Haitham Tal'at or Sami Ameri or Munqidh Al Saqqar to do English content. This can't continue. His behavior is so cringe and undignified and childish.

@ctreid89 Pop artist vs rap artists though. Different core audience.

Nelly era was the toughest.🤨