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Who the hell voted for Fukukitaru!?
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WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU TWO GET OUT OF MY HOUSE ..
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Small_a@smaller_jan_ph·
@KuuttiSnu Oh my god happy birthday big dawg :333
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KuuttiSnu@KuuttiSnu·
i guess i should announce that i'm alive also birthday #NecoArc
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Jesse Mazer
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@DevinGoure Is there any web page (or other publication) where the errors were collected and case was made that they fatally undermine the central arguments (as opposed to being fixable by an editor w/o having to throw out the larger arguments)? Or is it spread out over X threads/podcasts?
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Left Nietzschean@DevinGoure·
I’m going to be brief in responding to this, in part because my intention was to apologize and not to relitigate this conflict. I am not going to try disavow any elitism Daniel or anyone else has felt about credentials. But I do insist that it was never about that.
Daniel Tutt@TuttReal

I'll respond to this apology but I have a lot to say, so here goes. I'm glad that you made this apology Devin but I have some issues that I want to raise. The first is that I don't think you have been honest about what in my book drove you to be cruel in the first place. Just recently, you lashed out at a friend of mine and told them to 'stay in their lane' when it comes to Nietzsche, implying that their education is not adequate to understand Nietzsche. In fact, you said it was ressentiment to deviate from your lane in matters of scholarship. This is the sort of inegalitarian spirit that I see in Nietzsche and that is just one reason why he is so problematic within the left. I think it's good you note that your approach was petty, but we should be clear about what that means. Instead of a critique that gets at the arguments of my book, your approach instead felt as a total attack on me as a scholar, similar to the above example. Why didn't I just stay in my lane? Like it or not, my book was reviewed prior to publication by two very senior Nietzsche scholars, and it received endorsements from very accomplished Marxist and Nietzschean scholars. One of them even said that the book charts a new way of writing about Nietzsche. I was very clear in the book about what my expertise on Nietzsche is, but you attempted to attack me at the level of legitimacy and in doing so you repeated a highly elitist method of attack. What gives you the right to assume this superiority? Have you ever even published anything on Nietzsche outside of your Substack? It seems that you are using your elite academic credentials to abuse people you see as inferior. That strikes me as an indictment not only on you but on the elite educational system in the United States and why it must be abolished. Your approach here has led to immense tension and animus with countless people. It also led you to partner with the podcast Acid Horizon who joined in your attack on me at this mostly ad hominem level. It should be acknowledged that you forged a relationship with AH beginning mostly with your attacks on my work. I'm pleased that you've acknowledged the flaws in that approach and hope others in your philosophical orbit will do likewise and offer an apology. My interpretation of that approach is pretty straight forward. I think that you and your allies started off with the promise of a fuller takedown of me and my influences (Losurdo and Lukács) but you and your team did not produce this fuller takedown and as a result I think you decided to just attack me personally. Not even Ross Wolfe was able to produce a take down of Losurdo. And the HM journal supports his Nietzsche book. There is nowhere else to go here for you all. I think that your entire approach is unacceptable at face value in any situation. But it is especially unacceptable in the climate of higher education that we face today which is so fundamentally unequal and where so many people are excluded from higher education due to their economic class. Your actions show a profound disregard for class realities and as I have argued that approach is very akin to Nietzsche's elitism. We should recognize that this sort of approach to philosophy sets a terrible example to others, especially junior scholars, in how to engage in polemics and debates. I continue to write and offer interviews and talks on Nietzsche, and you likely know that I do not advocate that he be canceled from the left entirely, only that he be read differently and that his politics be acknowledged and put to use in a parasitic way. I reject the left-liberal tendency to cancel culture and no platforming as I believe that the left needs to get out of its class comfort zone. So as such, I am not going to cancel you, I only ask that you recognize that my book got under your skin because on the whole I am right about Nietzsche's politics and you should be more honest about why that bothers you so much.

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Waking up and reaching straight for your phone to open Twitter
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annaberu@annaberuuunya·
tonight (full version)
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@cluckingchooky @besttrousers @SamMacD86958750 Not the main point anymore but the essay technically doesn't cite where exactly it's citing Wilson from (again, who cares anymore) +(I'm not trying to be mean) I lowkey think that the essay's arguments are more persuasive than whatever you've tried to say so far
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Chicken@cluckingchooky·
@besttrousers @smaller_jan_ph @SamMacD86958750 We were talking about her translation intent not the foreword alone, remember? You’re the one who chose to hyper focus on only one aspect to obfuscate that you didn’t read the thread. Fact remains her intent is not greater accuracy than that of her colleagues.
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Matt Darling 🌐🏗️@besttrousers·
It's very weird that people keep comparing Wilson to other English translations. The whole point of her translation is that she is not trying to emulate the other translations!
Ascend: The Great Books Podcast@TheGreatB00ks

First, for a quick comparison, here is Wilson's translation next to others. Wilson's tends to be flat and banal - and intentionally so... What do you see? But let's look at some deeper critiques below⬇️

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Small_a@smaller_jan_ph·
@cluckingchooky @besttrousers @SamMacD86958750 Ok I'm throwing a (metaphorical) gauntlet and want you to prove me to be mentally impaired because I also don't think that there's any foreword quoted anywhere in original quoted thread or anywhere here (AFAIK the main criticism is the fact that Wilson's text is unpoetic)
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Chicken@cluckingchooky·
@smaller_jan_ph @besttrousers @SamMacD86958750 My man, he QRTed the very thread to complain about in his OP. I can’t read the thread for him when he’s going out of his way to not read something he QRTed. I’m not Siri, I can’t hold his hands through him using his eyes or ears.
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Small_a@smaller_jan_ph·
@cluckingchooky @besttrousers @SamMacD86958750 Hey man I get that arguing on Twitter is more painful than whatever happened to Trojans but I think he's simply asking you to directly quote the foreword (for the record I also have limited knowledge of this "discourse", I'm just being a bit sceptical)
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Chicken@cluckingchooky·
@besttrousers @smaller_jan_ph @SamMacD86958750 You supposedly did but somehow don’t know about those same foreword issues that are discussed in that thread. How about you save yourself the embarrassment and go read it for real this time.
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Small_a@smaller_jan_ph·
@cluckingchooky @besttrousers @SamMacD86958750 Tbh I don't know how you square "accuracy" with the stated fact that there's still a debate regarding the meaning of Homeric Greek, but my point is that you cannot point out a structural error in her text unless you point out an inconsistency with the Greek original
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Small_a@smaller_jan_ph·
@cluckingchooky @besttrousers @SamMacD86958750 PS: not saying that any one of them is better or worse, perhaps Wilson's translation doesn't have the literary edge as the other ones (although I would say that her text has a more tempered, somber tone which I kinda dig tbh), but I don't see how it's a bad TL of Homer per se
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Small_a@smaller_jan_ph·
@cluckingchooky @besttrousers @SamMacD86958750 depicted like a capable adventurer on his quest to return home "after he plundered the stronghold on the proud height of Troy", whereas the other translations conway a more tragic (and maybe implicitly condemnatory wet to Troy) tone in depicting Odysseus
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Small_a@smaller_jan_ph·
@cluckingchooky @besttrousers @SamMacD86958750 Imo the only takeaway is that her translation is shorter than the other translations (I think even the spacing/formatting of the text has an impact on that). If you want to prove that she left out some content you have to directly compare her text with the greek original
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Chicken@cluckingchooky·
@besttrousers @SamMacD86958750 If her text is half as long as every other translation, even someone who doesn’t speak Ancient Greek can guess that she’s leaving out content. That level of structure is still observable without fluency.
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