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@sonicminds

In the future, everyone will be world-famous for their status messages.

Amsterdam, The Netherlands Katılım Ocak 2009
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Mistaken Identity@sonicminds·
The most important benefit of the internet is that it gives everyone the chance to be heard. The downside is that we hear every idiot with a 2-digit IQ. Now AI has come with all the tricks and everyone with a 2-digit IQ thinks they are either an artist or a genius. What progress!
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Mistaken Identity@sonicminds·
@UltraTerm Whether this constitutes a formal ad hominem argument is debatable; but what your original text does is probably even worse: it proposes a neurological explanation for why critics hold the positions they do, which functionally dismisses the arguments without engaging them.
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Mistaken Identity@sonicminds·
@UltraTerm An ad hominem is precisely an attempt to discredit an argument by attacking the person’s characteristics (in this case, their neurological capacity) rather than addressing their actual points (copyright, labor, ethics).
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Mistaken Identity@sonicminds·
Another word salad riddled with logical fallacies, yet presented as a sound argument. The vision-vs-craft distinction is philosophically debatable, but the aphantasia hypothesis is unsupported speculation. The entire text contains a genetic fallacy and strawmans the opposition. +
CYBERGEM 💎✨@UltraTerm

Hypothesis: There is a direct correlation between Anti-Ai sentiment and the inability to visualize things in the mind. It's common to see Anti-Ai people aggressively dismiss the idea that creating visual art is primarily about communicating an internal vision held by the artist. They will sometimes say things such as "the real art is the technical skill to create something" and that "the idea" is virtually worthless, often accusing people of being useless "ideas guys." In reality, the artist's vision is the most important and crucial part of both the creative process and the final artistic expression that others interact with. Without it, the expression devolves to nothing more than a showcase of craft and technical skill, such as a demonstration of the ability to draw straight lines, hold a paintbrush correctly, fret a chord, or operate a camera using an appropriate shutter speed. Art is about communication. It's about the artist transmitting their internal vision, audiation, and emotions to others via some medium. Anyone who does not understand that does not understand what art is. Expressions of craft and technical skill alone are not artwork, they are the means by which artwork can be manifested. This reality can best be seen at the level of the director, such as Hideo Kojima; someone who directs teams of craftsmen and other artists to create a large scale multimedia art piece that's intended to primarily reflect their inner vision. In the right hands, creative Ai tools can be used to manifest an artist's vision extremely effectively, including in ways that weren't possible before the tools existed. For people that can't visualize things in the mind due to physical lack of ability, the above is a completely alien concept. It's unknown to them because the capability is missing from their nervous system. Trying to explain to them what it's like to be able to hear and see entire worlds in your mind would be similar to trying to explain colors to someone who has never seen them before. You can try, but ultimately you can't transmit the experience to them. They're not capable of expressing visual artwork from within themselves, because they have nothing internally to express. At best they can develop the technical craft of expression, which they have come to mistake as "art." So that is why they become confused (and aggressive) when they're exposed to the idea that creative Ai software is just another set of tools in an emerging craft used for artistic expression. They can't see the apple.

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Brian Merchant@bcmerchant·
Wrote about the college kids booing AI, and how, in a moment rife with economic precarity, affordability crises, and narrowing job prospects, AI has become the new avatar of American capitalism.
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Mistaken Identity@sonicminds·
“Right now you are a prisoner of each application you use. You have only the options that were given you by the developer of that application.” - Ted Nelson
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Mistaken Identity@sonicminds·
@BabalKabak @IsThisRealArt_ @EpicArtFail That post was one of the dumbest things I’ve read all day. It’s complete nonsense, trying to sound intellectual but filled with logical fallacies. The user's interactions are entirely based on ad hominem attacks. If not stupid, clearly just seeking interaction through rage bait.
Mistaken Identity@sonicminds

Another word salad riddled with logical fallacies, yet presented as a sound argument. The vision-vs-craft distinction is philosophically debatable, but the aphantasia hypothesis is unsupported speculation. The entire text contains a genetic fallacy and strawmans the opposition. +

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EpicFail🔞@EpicArtFail·
Just about every fucking Ai users excuse in the start was that they had Aphantasia and they Needed it for help. Now they want to pin it on artists as if a minority suffering from Aphantasia are the only ones who dislike GenAi. Cope harder. :D
CYBERGEM 💎✨@UltraTerm

Hypothesis: There is a direct correlation between Anti-Ai sentiment and the inability to visualize things in the mind. It's common to see Anti-Ai people aggressively dismiss the idea that creating visual art is primarily about communicating an internal vision held by the artist. They will sometimes say things such as "the real art is the technical skill to create something" and that "the idea" is virtually worthless, often accusing people of being useless "ideas guys." In reality, the artist's vision is the most important and crucial part of both the creative process and the final artistic expression that others interact with. Without it, the expression devolves to nothing more than a showcase of craft and technical skill, such as a demonstration of the ability to draw straight lines, hold a paintbrush correctly, fret a chord, or operate a camera using an appropriate shutter speed. Art is about communication. It's about the artist transmitting their internal vision, audiation, and emotions to others via some medium. Anyone who does not understand that does not understand what art is. Expressions of craft and technical skill alone are not artwork, they are the means by which artwork can be manifested. This reality can best be seen at the level of the director, such as Hideo Kojima; someone who directs teams of craftsmen and other artists to create a large scale multimedia art piece that's intended to primarily reflect their inner vision. In the right hands, creative Ai tools can be used to manifest an artist's vision extremely effectively, including in ways that weren't possible before the tools existed. For people that can't visualize things in the mind due to physical lack of ability, the above is a completely alien concept. It's unknown to them because the capability is missing from their nervous system. Trying to explain to them what it's like to be able to hear and see entire worlds in your mind would be similar to trying to explain colors to someone who has never seen them before. You can try, but ultimately you can't transmit the experience to them. They're not capable of expressing visual artwork from within themselves, because they have nothing internally to express. At best they can develop the technical craft of expression, which they have come to mistake as "art." So that is why they become confused (and aggressive) when they're exposed to the idea that creative Ai software is just another set of tools in an emerging craft used for artistic expression. They can't see the apple.

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Inka@Haptraz·
@unvarnishedvoid Yeah not the worth trouble. They started circlejerk under my reply lmao.
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Strawbærry Narwhal ‽↙↙↙
You are not an Artist if you use gen AI and Gen AI does not put your expression into reality. The AI making an img is not your img. Pro gen AI people are the ones that dont know anything about art. They consistently demonstrate this also there are artists with Aphantasia
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CYBERGEM 💎✨@UltraTerm

Hypothesis: There is a direct correlation between Anti-Ai sentiment and the inability to visualize things in the mind. It's common to see Anti-Ai people aggressively dismiss the idea that creating visual art is primarily about communicating an internal vision held by the artist. They will sometimes say things such as "the real art is the technical skill to create something" and that "the idea" is virtually worthless, often accusing people of being useless "ideas guys." In reality, the artist's vision is the most important and crucial part of both the creative process and the final artistic expression that others interact with. Without it, the expression devolves to nothing more than a showcase of craft and technical skill, such as a demonstration of the ability to draw straight lines, hold a paintbrush correctly, fret a chord, or operate a camera using an appropriate shutter speed. Art is about communication. It's about the artist transmitting their internal vision, audiation, and emotions to others via some medium. Anyone who does not understand that does not understand what art is. Expressions of craft and technical skill alone are not artwork, they are the means by which artwork can be manifested. This reality can best be seen at the level of the director, such as Hideo Kojima; someone who directs teams of craftsmen and other artists to create a large scale multimedia art piece that's intended to primarily reflect their inner vision. In the right hands, creative Ai tools can be used to manifest an artist's vision extremely effectively, including in ways that weren't possible before the tools existed. For people that can't visualize things in the mind due to physical lack of ability, the above is a completely alien concept. It's unknown to them because the capability is missing from their nervous system. Trying to explain to them what it's like to be able to hear and see entire worlds in your mind would be similar to trying to explain colors to someone who has never seen them before. You can try, but ultimately you can't transmit the experience to them. They're not capable of expressing visual artwork from within themselves, because they have nothing internally to express. At best they can develop the technical craft of expression, which they have come to mistake as "art." So that is why they become confused (and aggressive) when they're exposed to the idea that creative Ai software is just another set of tools in an emerging craft used for artistic expression. They can't see the apple.

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Mistaken Identity
Mistaken Identity@sonicminds·
The real irony is that GenAI was marketed as opening new doors & opportunities for those who lack the means or skills; if the poster’s hypothesis is correct, it may be more suitable for GenAI users than for AI critics, as they use the tools because they lack the necessary skills.
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Mistaken Identity@sonicminds·
The claim is also artistically shallow: It reduces art to a mere image in the head, ignoring the profound relationship between the artist, the material & the act of creation. It arrogantly ignores that art also resides in the process & physical intent, not just the mental image.+
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Mistaken Identity@sonicminds·
@EmreSevinc Gidişat öyle gibi. İlerde artisan, el emeği işler, sadece yüksek, elit sınıflara ait, salt onları tüketme hakkı varmış gibi bir konuma gelirse şaşırmam. Halk tabakası, alt ve orta sınıflar da estetikten yoksun, kolay üretilip tüketilir şeylere mahrum kalacak o durumda.
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Emre Sevinç
Emre Sevinç@EmreSevinc·
@sonicminds "Artisanal, el yapımı, kişiye özel, insan evladı destek istiyorum yalvarırım, kaç paraysa vereyim" moduna sokacaklar
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Karl Trewhela 🖊
Karl Trewhela 🖊@KarlTrewhelaArt·
Grow a spine huh and blocks me so I can't reply. Absolute charlatans.
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