Lee W. Brainard

Truth is not a democratic process or a popularity contest. Truth is still true, even when men like Noah or Martin Luther must stand alone.

Scripture does contain recurring patterns, seasons, and typology. What it does not teach is an endless cyclical view of history, reincarnation, or eternal recurrence. Biblical history has a beginning, moves toward a divinely ordained end, and culminates in the new heavens and new earth. - Kristen

@soothkeep Basically you have simply not understood the biblical concept of cycles

The Bible and “Eastern Thought” A growing claim today is that the Bible must be interpreted through an Eastern mindset—one that emphasizes mysticism, intuition, and cyclical views of reality rather than logic, history, and clear distinctions. But the Bible presents reality as linear, historical, and rational. History moves through unique, unrepeatable events—from Creation to the Final Judgment. Human life follows the same pattern: birth, death, judgment, and eternal destiny. There is no reincarnation, no endless cycle, and no second chance after death. Likewise, Scripture presents a logical universe created by a logical God. Reality is filled with meaningful distinctions: truth and error, light and darkness, saved and lost. The West did not invent this worldview; it received it from Scripture. The real conflict is not East versus West, but biblical realism versus pagan mysticism. May we all resist the efforts of the Enemy to introduce murkiness and mysticism into the Christian faith.

Most arguments are won before they begin. Whoever defines the terms establishes the boundaries of the discussion and often determines where the conclusion will lead. Before debating the evidence, define the words.

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An immovable mind is either anchored in truth or trapped by ignorance. Scripture calls us to be steadfast in the truth, not merely stubborn in our opinions. A mind anchored in God's Word stands firm because it rests on solid ground. But conviction alone is no proof of truth. Even sincere people can cling to error when they stop testing what they believe by the Scriptures. "Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." John 8:32 (KJV)

@beready4rapture Great question!

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@EschatologyFB "Paul said that we will see two things before we’re gathered together unto the Lord: 1)The son of perdition will be revealed. 2)The falling away (the “apostasia”)." This is your first error. This is NOT what Paul said. youtu.be/82NUUDDcfg4?is… - Kristen

So perhaps they got it wrong. Perhaps some confused believer or even a charlatan told them that the rapture had occurred, or the “day of Christ” had begun. But here’s the thing: It doesn't really matter what they believed, because Paul chastised them for it: 2 Thessalonians 2:5- "Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?" Paul said that we will see two things before we’re gathered together unto the Lord: 1)The son of perdition will be revealed. 2)The falling away (the “apostasia”). How is the son of perdition revealed? 2 Thessalonians 2:4- "Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God." That's the abomination of desolation. Paul said we will see it. That should come as no surprise, as the Lord told us we’d see it: Matthew 24:15- “When YE therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)” There is no getting around this, or the fact that Matt. 24:29 and Acts 2:20 put the “day of the Lord” squarely AFTER the trib. By the way, had Paul given them a “rapture, then tribulation” chronology, the Thessalonians would have again been ripe for the proverbial picking by the very next charlatan saying the gathering together had already occurred. Which is why Paul set them straight, and gave them the two markers/signs to look for first.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 does not teach a post-Tribulation Rapture. Paul contrasts "our gathering together unto Him" with the Day of the Lord. His point is that believers should not fear that the Day of the Lord is already present. The apostasy and revelation of the man of sin are signs identifying the Day of the Lord, not conditions delaying the Rapture. In short, Paul distinguishes the Rapture from the Day of the Lord and presents Antichrist as a marker of that day, not of the Church's gathering to Christ.

@dboyz1954 I will get this added to the questions for the next livestream. Note that it will probably not be Tuesday though. Hopefully next Friday. - Kristen

Brother Lee . Usually because of my work schedule I can not tune in live on Tuesday and thus not able to send in my question to moderators. Would you be so kind to include this question next week? I listen to every post but it is usually in the middle of the night as I wake up often and can’t sleep so I spend it with you. QUESTION: The ApostlePaul wrote this : ““I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a man was caught up to the third heaven. And I know how such a man—whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, God knows— was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which a man is not permitted to speak.” 2 Corinthians 12:2-4 NASB1995 I know it would be conjecture on your part but you have done that at times when you have imagined what heaven will be like. Anyways, WHY do you think Paul was not allowed to speak of what he saw ? My conclusion after much thought is because we would contextualize it with our fleshy fallen state thus misinterpreting what was seen. Anyways would love to hear your thoughts this next Tuesday in the livestream. Blessings!

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Resharing since quite a few folks have not seen this.

@EschatologyFB I did read your initial comments and I disagree with them. I made that clear in my statement. I also addressed your Pseudo-Ephraim claim in my statement. I am Lee's Social Media Manager, you can go back in his posts to see more. - Kristen

I’m a little confused, Kristen. What relation are you to Lee Brainard? Regardless, you clearly didn’t read my initial comments about Pseudo-Ephraem, as both the text clearly contains false teachings (among them, that the heavenly signs herald the arrival of the antichrist rather than the Lord). So why appeal to it at all? That just shows a false teacher claimed something about the rapture which wasn’t orthodox. Irenaeus, Cyprian, and a host of others were posttrib. In fact, it was the unanimous teaching of the early church. Over and over, we read about the church being persecuted for 42 months by the AC, and THEN Christ returning to avenge us.

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@EschatologyFB I did in my response. You just don't accept it for what it is. Feel free to watch the video. Lee has hundreds of videos that address each and every one of your erroneous claims. - Kristen

Part II: You said: “Revelation 19 is also difficult to reconcile with the claim that the church does not return with Christ. In verses 7-8, the Bride is clothed in fine linen, which is specifically identified as ‘the righteousness of saints.’ Then in verse 14, the armies of heaven follow Christ wearing fine linen, white and clean. The description is identical. The text never identifies those armies as exclusively angels, nor does it say the Bride remains behind in heaven while Christ returns.” What we are not told in Rev. 19 is that the bride is in Heaven.  Who is the bride? Israel: Isaiah 62:4-5: “Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzibah, and thy land Beulah: for the Lord delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married. For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee: and as the BRIDEGROOM rejoiceth over the BRIDE, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.” Jeremiah 33:11- "The voice of joy, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the BRIDEGROOM, and the voice of the BRIDE the voice of them that shall say, Praise the Lord of hosts: for the Lord is good; for his mercy endureth for ever: and of them that shall bring the sacrifice of praise into the house of the Lord. For I will cause to RETURN the captivity of the land, as at the first, saith the Lord." What did Paul say? Ephesians 2:12-13: “That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the COMMONWEALTH OF ISRAEL, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.” When we are in Christ, we are now a part of the commonwealth of Israel. We are grafted in AMONG the natural branches (Romans 11). He also said this: Galatians 3:7- “Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the CHILDREN OF ABRAHAM.” Galatians 3:29- “And if ye be Christ's, then are ye ABRAHAM’S SEED, and heirs according to the promise.” We are Abraham’s seed/children. A part of the commonwealth of Israel. Grafted in among the natural branches. Believers aren’t divided into “church saints” and “trib saints”. There isn’t a place in Scripture which supports that. In fact, pretrib makes a claim that the bride (i.e. “church saints”) returns from Heaven and judges the “trib saints”, DESPITE Rev. 20:4-6 being clear that it’s tribulation martyrs (i.e. “God’s wife” in pretrib vernacular) who actually reign with Christ for the thousand years.  God isn’t a bigamist. There isn’t a bride AND a wife. In fact, Rev. 21:9 uses the two terms synonymously (the same Greek “gyne”).  We become a part of the bride. The entire Book of Hosea is about reconciliation with the bride. Again, in Rev. 19:7-10, there is a wedding announcement saying that “the marriage of the Lamb is come (second aorist active indicative), and the bride has made herself ready”. It’s about to happen. Wedding announcements come before the wedding...in every culture. Yet the VERY next scene is the Lord leaving Heaven with His ARMIES (not His bride). Why? Because that’s when the Lord comes to rescue His bride, which we are grafted into. You said: “The conclusion that believers cannot also be present does not follow from the text.” Okay. Then prove it. Is there any mention of the “bride/church” in Heaven at all after Rev. 4:1 (pretrib’s supposed rapture verse)?  Even regarding Rev. 4:1, pretrib adds to Scripture.  First of all, we're not supposed to add to the Book of Revelation: Revelation 22:18- "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:" This ought to stop us in our tracks, but for some reason, it doesn't seem to.

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Simply calling something "Pseudo-Ephraim" doesn't prove it's a forgery or that its contents are worthless. In academic literature, "pseudo" often means the authorship is uncertain, not that the document is fake. Many scholars use the term because they believe some writings traditionally attributed to Ephraim may have been written by disciples, associates, or later compilers preserving his teachings and sermons. More importantly, even if some of the Ephraim material was written by later followers, that doesn't eliminate its historical value. In fact, it can strengthen the argument. If multiple writers in the centuries following Ephraim were expressing the same pretribulational ideas, that demonstrates those ideas were circulating in the church long before Darby. The real question isn't whether every line was personally penned by Ephraim. The real question is whether the document accurately reflects beliefs that existed in the early church. Historians routinely use writings with disputed authorship to understand what people believed in a given era. And there's another problem with the objection. If the majority of Ephraim's genuine works supposedly disappeared and were replaced by hundreds of successful forgeries within a few centuries, where is the evidence that the churches preserving his writings recognized this massive substitution? That's a pretty extraordinary claim. At the end of the day, dismissing a text because it's labeled "Pseudo-Ephraim" doesn't actually address the content. The question remains: does the document contain a pretribulational expectation that predates Darby? Calling it "Pseudo-Ephraim" doesn't answer that question one way or the other. Straight from Recent Pre-Trib Findings in the Early Church Fathers. - Kristen

@soothkeep Scroll up. Regarding quotes from early church fathers. And you claim to cite Ephraem, but you’re actually citing anonymous authors (i.e. “Pseudo-Ephraem”).

I don't think the evidence supports the conclusion that only angels return with Christ. The passages you cited certainly prove that angels accompany Christ at His return. No one disputes that. But they do not say angels are the only ones accompanying Him. That's an argument from silence. The bigger question is whether Scripture ever places believers with Christ at His appearing. I believe it does. Paul writes in Colossians 3:4, "When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory." Paul doesn't say believers appear after Him or arrive later. He says they appear with Him. Likewise, 1 Thessalonians 4:14 says, "them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him." Again, believers are being brought with Christ. Revelation 19 is also difficult to reconcile with the claim that the church does not return with Christ. In verses 7-8, the Bride is clothed in fine linen, which is specifically identified as "the righteousness of saints." Then in verse 14, the armies of heaven follow Christ wearing fine linen, white and clean. The description is identical. The text never identifies those armies as exclusively angels, nor does it say the Bride remains behind in heaven while Christ returns. As for Jude 14, even if we grant that "holy ones" refers to angels, that still doesn't prove redeemed saints are absent. It simply identifies one group accompanying the Lord. The conclusion that believers cannot also be present does not follow from the text. I would also point out that Scripture repeatedly teaches that believers will reign with Christ (2 Tim. 2:12), appear with Christ in glory (Col. 3:4), and even participate in judgment (1 Cor. 6:2). The picture throughout the New Testament is not of the church remaining behind while Christ returns, but of the church being united with Him in His manifestation of glory. So yes, Christ returns with His holy angels. The Bible clearly says that. But I don't see any passage that says He returns with angels alone, while several passages state that glorified believers accompany Him as well. - Kristen

The Lord never described anyone other than His angels returning with Him from Heaven at His second coming: Matthew 16:27- "For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his ANGELS; and then he shall reward every man according to his works." Matthew 25:31- "When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the HOLY ANGELS with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:" Mark 8:38- "Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the HOLY ANGELS." Luke 9:26- "For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the HOLY ANGELS." He said He comes back with His “angels”, and then He rewards every “man”. It is beyond the realm of credulity for anyone to suggest that He would have left that important detail out (that the church/bride returns with Him at His second coming), if that’s what really happens.  Paul reiterated this, in the ONLY set of verses in which he SPECIFICALLY describes who returns with the Lord from Heaven at the second coming: 2 Thessalonians 1:7-8: "And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from HEAVEN with his mighty ANGELS, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:" Regarding Jude 14, the word rendered "saints" by many translations, is the Greek "hagios". The Lord used that very SAME word in Matt. 25:31 to describe the ANGELS who emerge out of Heaven with Him at His second coming: Matthew 25:31- "When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the HOLY ANGELS (Gk. HAGIOS aggelos) with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:" So the Lord described the "hagios" who return from Heaven with Him as being His angels, which is the same Greek word as what’s used in Jude 14: Jude 1:14-15: "And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints (Gk. HAGIOS), To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him." This is virtually a direct quote from the noncanonical Book of Enoch (1:9). In that chapter, the ones returning with the Lord (the thousands) are angels ("watchers"). Here is an interesting commentary from Matthew Henry, in which he addresses even Jude 14: "His retinue was glorious; he came with his holy myriads, as Enoch had long since foretold he should come in the last day to judge the world, Jude 14. These were the ANGELS, those chariots of God in the midst of which the Lord was, on that holy place, Ps. 68:17. They attended the divine majesty, and were employed as his ministers in the solemnities of the day. Hence the law is said to be given by the disposition of ANGELS, Acts 7:53; Heb. 2:2." Jamieson, Fausset & Brown commentary (Regarding Jude 14): saints--Holy angels (compare 33:2 Dan 7:10 Zec 14:5 Matt 25:31 Hbr 12:22 ). This isn't some obscure teaching. It was the accepted teaching of the early church, up until only a couple of centuries ago.  Regarding Rev. 19, in Rev. 19:7-10, there is a wedding announcement saying that “the marriage of the Lamb is come, and the bride has made herself ready”. Second aorist active indicative. No marriage has occurred yet. The VERY next scene is the Lord leaving Heaven with His ARMIES (not His bride). Why? Because that’s when the Lord comes to rescue His bride. The Lord ONLY described leaving Heaven with His angels at His second coming.

@ociana60 I'll pass this on to Lee. - Kristen

@soothkeep Ohhh! Good topic. That would make a great expanded video.

TESTING THE SPIRITS One of the clearest signs of growing apostasy is the push to seek the Holy Spirit apart from Scripture. But God never calls us to follow spiritual impressions without testing them. The Bible gives us a simple safeguard: • The Spirit teaches truth (John 16:13) • God's Word is truth (John 17:17) • We are commanded to test the spirits (1 John 4:1) The Holy Spirit never leads contrary to the Word He inspired. Every teaching, teacher, experience, and "word from God" must be tested by Scripture. The Bereans were called noble because they searched the Scriptures daily to verify what they heard (Acts 17:11). In the last days, deception will increase (1 Tim. 4:1; 2 Tim. 3:13). Our protection is not blind trust in spiritual experiences, but faithful submission to God's Word. If we are not testing the spirits by Scripture, we are leaving ourselves open to deception.

@EschatologyFB Wrong about what? - Kristen

@soothkeep You’re absolutely wrong, as I’ve shown. I’m concerned about intellectual dishonesty.