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tavis
@tavis1_
AI Skeptic ・ Daemon Realist ・ Cybernetics Enjoyer ・ Word Caller
プレゼント・デイ Katılım Mayıs 2024
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@be_Zanazar @The7thEmSeven @gfodor @wokenessucks Parents running into the burning building aren't relying on half of the world following them in.
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@tavis1_ @The7thEmSeven @gfodor @wokenessucks Bc parents run into burning buildings to save their children. Even in the hyper individualistic societies of the west. Collectivist societies will be more likely to do so. But ultimately you wouldn't know. It's just there's no winning pressing red. The only chance is blue.
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The problem with the red button/blue button thing is that blue button people still live with this filter over their eyes that distorts reality.
They lack the self-awareness to realize that if they were actually in that situation in real life, they’d push the red button too. That’s exactly why they get so mad and take it personally when we don’t see it their way. They call us immoral and evil.
But we see the world realistically. They don’t. When you factor in the other 8 billion people on Earth and the raw fear of possibly dying, there’s zero chance 51% hit the blue button. 95–98% of people would take the guaranteed safe option and choose red.
We know this because we deal in reality, not fantasy. For us red-button people, pushing blue is suicide.
Is it sad that out of 8 billion some will inevitably hit blue and die? Yes. But if blue is suicide, I’m still hitting red.
The vast majority of blue button people lack the self-awareness to know how they’d actually react under pressure.
They’re the morons who die first in horror movies.
MrBeast@MrBeast
Everyone on earth takes a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press? BE HONEST.
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@SyntaxError2505 @Jonathan_Blow @etscrivner The OS can provide the C program just as easily as it provides the file.
And if the user wants to treat that program as a file, `<(battery --get-charge)`. Although, that doesn't really work for drag-and-drop to the desktop...
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@tavis1_ @Jonathan_Blow @etscrivner No but sometimes a user gotta cat the battery charge instead of writing a C program or using task manager to read it. Those files allow the user to use the OS with only read/write tools instead of a whole graphical shell
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Plan9 was the OS that really showed me the supreme weakness of “everything is a file”. Having to use /dev/draw to draw on screen. All the copying that has to take place. Impossible to make this design actually performant.
Valentin Ignatev@valigo
"everything is a file" POSIX fans been really quiet after I asked them to tell me what's the length of /proc/self/maps
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@SyntaxError2505 @Jonathan_Blow @etscrivner Since when has a user ever needed to move a battery from their Documents folder to their Desktop?
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@Jonathan_Blow @etscrivner You gotta remember that OSes are made for the user and not for the dev. File operations is what it was built to do. That is the reason the first couple syscalls in unix are all for files. If you wanna do one for retrieving battery charge, then that will be worse then a file
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@ZarathosSerafen @BIMBOSATTVA_ I think Obama, Bush, Clinton, etc. tried to *look like* they were helping more than they tried to actually help.
And I think Trump and Biden probably did try to help, but I'm less sure about Biden.
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@BIMBOSATTVA_ Point being with my jaundiced attitude; you'd think Obama was the devil himself, but he's really not different from any other President, and hell he tried to help. How many presidencies do we need to realize we can't blame it on Obama anymore?
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What I find sad about images like this is that everyone portrayed is trying their best, they all think they're right, they all think the other is bad faith and that they are uniquely good faith, yet behind it all is an American uniparty & the intel agencies, so the sides mean nil
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@blublairies Or what if all the tinkerbells unionized and demanded higher pay?
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tinkerbell… I’d worry the tinkerbells would be abused ahaha and what if everyone just remained Peter pans in never never land or whatever
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Maybe it would be nice if your personal executive function was outside yourself but still entirely you and yours- like a little tinkerbell lol. Thing is… haha I identify that part of my brain as the super bitchy bossy know-it-all strategist that I don’t even like. We just have
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Red voters real quiet right now about everyone winning and surviving.
MrBeast@MrBeast
Everyone on earth takes a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press? BE HONEST.
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@FiredUpCoug I'm not using the brain power I have effectively anyway, might as well go green.
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I would take the red pill so I know what it feels like to be average.
CONQUERtheNO.org 🫶🏽@conquertheno
Which color are you choosing?
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@be_Zanazar @The7thEmSeven @gfodor @wokenessucks Why are you so certain that blue won?
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tavis@tavis1_
As I reach for the blue button, I look deep inside myself and see that I can't do it. I literally can't. My hand refuses to move. But pressing blue is the right thing to do, and, more importantly, it's just a twitter poll.
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@tavis1_ @The7thEmSeven @gfodor @wokenessucks Lol are you genuinely too stupid to understand this? XD
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@Yotsublast @jonathanbylos What about the babies that accidentally fall into a cannon aimed at a blue button?
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@tavis1_ @jonathanbylos We should make the button require at least 5ft-lbs of pressure to toggle😅
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I give no guarantee that the genocide will be successful
tavis@tavis1_
Press the red button and live OR Press the blue button and die unless blue gets 50%, but if you live you have to genocide red pressers
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@jonathanbylos @Yotsublast I'm aware. I'm taking the other side of the "babies will accidentally press blue" debate with the argument that decent people should maybe press red so there's a non-sociopathic adult around in the event that blue loses.
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it depends on how you interpret "everyone on earth takes a private vote" - it was debated and basically toddlers are forced to vote randomly, apparently. This is a bit of a sleight of hand, so I didn't like this, but I think even "everyone" gives away that less able voters are at stake, such as dependents, younger children, even infants. So it's even more dark than presumed by most - or at least you can't rule out the possibility that it was a coin flip for some "voters".
I personally think it's a bit unfair to red voters to do this, and get baited this way into a meta-question meta-game. It's better to be crystal clear about the vote, and have a different meta-game instead of the sleight of hand trickery kind of meta-game.
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@tavis1_ @The7thEmSeven @gfodor @wokenessucks Yeah and then you live in the ruins of the modern world exclusively populated by the people willing to sacrifice at least half a billion toddlers without electricity or stable food supply. God job.
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@jonathanbylos @Yotsublast In the worst case blue loses scenario, the only surviving people are infants and sociopaths.
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I'm not saying it's guaranteed demise for red. I'm saying it's within the realm of possibility that selfish, rational (or emotional) voters sense that red is actually not risk-free, potentially insane (from their personal perspectives). Maybe 0.1-1% of such selfish voters reason "yea, screw it, let's gamble to push this to a blue win")
I don't see red having the equivalent dynamic that flows stable blue votes (stable in that they are going down with the ship - nothing to lose if they live in a world without their kids/dependents etc). Reds have much more to lose - their own lives. It's asymmetrical in blue's favor for SOME selfish voters - maybe enough to tilt the total vote to blue win in some corner cases.
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@DivineDeadlock @minordissent @jonathanbylos How confident are you that China would conclude that a few people accidentally pressing blue and dying is worse than the small chance that everyone else presses red for some reason, or even the chance to significantly reduce the population of their enemies?
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@minordissent @jonathanbylos You have no idea how people outside of individualistic countries think.
No Chinese person would risk killing their grandmother. It would bring dishonor to their ancestors.
You are suffering from post-Nietzsche mental illness. Find Christ.
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@DCTalks1009 @xwanyex How do you handle the system incorrectly detecting racism in the ratio of black inmates, while still punishing repeat offenders, without being forced to run increasingly invasive and authoritarian programs to prove that the cause of the ratio is, in fact, mostly not racist?
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@xwanyex Strawman: no one argues that we must “detect all of it”. You have such reasonable views (at the core) on immigration and crime: punish repeat offenders more harshly, restricting immigration is reasonable. Then you just… spin off, radicalized without realizing you are.
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This is why I think you have to be willing to bite the bullet and say that, even if this is true, it’s not an argument for an increasingly authoritarian and invasive racism-detecting apparatus, but rather it’s an argument against multiculturalism itself, evidence that we’re just going to have to accept a certain amount of racism, because what would be required to detect all of it is genuinely intolerable.
Holden@Holden114
Presuming people are racist but they've found smart ways to make it non-detectable is a game the left can win forever.
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@DBZYuYuYasha @xwanyex Those actions are liable to increase overall racism if the people filling the quota are not, in fact, qualified.
Or worse, if the least qualified people are intentionally selected to fill the quota maliciously.
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@xwanyex I don't think actions to counter possible racism (like small quotas, letting a certain amount of blacks into Harvard, etc.) are intolerable. I rather have that than the racism.
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'Confucian collectivism, state-directed cooperation, and deep "group over self" wiring make it plausible that a majority cooperates.'
Couldn't that also be realized as "sacrifice the few for the benefit of the many", in terms of "sure, a few babies will die, but might try to kill us by voting red?
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The game theory is clear, red is strictly dominant. You survive no matter what. A perfectly rational agent always presses red. But humans aren't perfectly rational, and culture bends the calculus:
What tips it toward blue: China (1.4B, ~58% blue) is the single biggest factor. Confucian collectivism, state-directed cooperation, and deep "group over self" wiring make it plausible that a majority cooperates. India (1.4B, ~52% blue) is the other giant, dharmic duty and communal moral frameworks give a slight blue edge despite enormous diversity. Japan, Vietnam, the Nordics, and Indonesia all pull hard blue through collectivist culture.
What tips it toward red: The United States (~38% blue) is the biggest defector among democracies, individualism is celebrated, game theory is widely understood, and "rational self-interest" is culturally encoded. Russia (~29%) is deeply cynical after decades of institutional betrayal. War-torn states (Yemen, Somalia, Afghanistan, South Sudan) are in pure survival mode, red is instinctive.
The dark irony: The countries with the strongest democratic traditions and the most education about game theory (US, UK, France) are among the most likely to defect, because they're the ones who can clearly see that red is the dominant strategy. The authoritarian collectivist states "cooperate" more effectively, but partly because the state might just tell them which button to press.
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how the hell does it always come up 42%-58%??
MrBeast@MrBeast
Everyone on earth takes a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press? BE HONEST.
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@BlindedMysto @gfodor Only if you make the assumption that blue wins. If it loses you're just killing a random stranger.
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