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New Dragon Ball complicates a strict English sense of "canon" by having contradictory presentations, but still have Toriyama story beats and influence. DB has a "main story" with other official works. The general flow of Daima and Super fit in a main story, but GT and DBH do not.

@VincentEternal9 I would agree if we were only talking about the anime version

@thatdudethere0 I feel like GT in this case does fit into the idea of canon because at the time it definitely was supposed to just be part of the main storyline of Dragon Ball, but it was just replaced by super and Daima.

It’s really funny how dragon ball fans have just convinced themselves that the east don’t have their own equivalent to canon or don’t have the same general idea of how stories connect to each other.

Being "non-canon" became a buzzword for dismissing shows like Dragon Ball GT by a fanbase that hasn't watched the show. It should be hated because it is shit.

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@thatdudethere0 That makes sense but what DB is doing doesn’t feel like going against the normal definition of canon and is more just not worrying about continuity of what came before. All of the DB continuations have some sort of inconsistency with original DB to some degree.

@grifin_station This doesn't have to do with GT being bad. I think the modern one is more likely because of current marketing hyping it up.

@thatdudethere0 That means you're not delusional 🔥

The SS4 from Daima is more likely in my opinion

Yes, GT had stuff that violated the 5 years that Goku and Bulma weren't supposed to interact in.

@Eternatus This is from episode 34 when Pan is pleading with the Golden Monkey. The heights of Goten and Trunks means this has to be during those 5 years.

@Eternatus GT "negated all that"

New Dragon Ball complicates a strict English sense of "canon" by having contradictory presentations, but still have Toriyama story beats and influence. DB has a "main story" with other official works. The general flow of Daima and Super fit in a main story, but GT and DBH do not.

@PlaidFan I get sick of seeing the lack of nuance from DB fans.

@thatdudethere0 Thank you for saying this.

The term "canon" becomes difficult when people use the term with different criteria. People should define words like this within conversations so we understand what the other person is saying.

How are oomfs doing?

@HeartofErased @grifin_station Apes and monkeys have all sorts of skull shapes. I don't think it's a stretch to say that relative size change of Super Saiyan 4 can change what we perceive.

@grifin_station Ohhhh never noticed that. I do wonder why eyebrows return for SS4 when the predecessor set up a lack of them

I find it cool that SSJ3 has a very different bone structure.

@WeyardStar @grifin_station The Super Saiyan aggression is similar to the big monkey. I don't think the two were ever really separate.

@grifin_station The drastic difference in skull shape when SS and SS2 were identical in that sense is something I always disliked about SS3, but it's pretty cool once you see Toriyama was going for a giant monkey-SS link with the golden forms even before GT tried to reinvent the idea with SS4.

I deeply respect Yamamuro-san, and it pains me to see him receiving hate from overseas fans. The general claim is that his work during the DBZ era was great, but that quality gradually declined. However, listening closely to their criticism, the hate directed at Yamamuro-san is not actually about the animation drawings themselves, but about the highlights and coloring. I can fully understand that this comes from a place of love for Dragon Ball. It is understandable that general fans, unfamiliar with the production environment, mistakenly assumed that Yamamuro-san — being such an influential figure in the animation — was responsible for these decisions. However, since Dragon Ball is produced within a corporation called Toei Animation, just as in any other company, the boss bears ultimate responsibility. This is true whether in Japan, overseas, or on any animation production floor. There is no way Yamamuro-san could have made these decisions alone. The responsibility lies with the directors and series directors, and in a broader sense, with Toei Animation itself. Furthermore, as touched upon in the YouTube video referenced, coloring is completely outside of Yamamuro-san's area of expertise. It is not his responsibility, nor is it solely the color designer's responsibility. Just as in any general company, these are matters decided through discussions at the upper management level. Moreover, Yamamuro-san does not even belong to Toei Animation — he is affiliated with a separate company entirely. Directing hate at an individual by name on the internet is something I can only describe as Dragon Ball love gone in the wrong direction. Please try to imagine how Yamamuro-san must feel — someone who has worked so hard for so many years supporting Dragon Ball — upon being targeted with unfounded criticism by name. Please try to imagine how deeply it must hurt him. He is a creator. It goes without saying that, by nature of his sensitivity, he is more susceptible to being hurt than most. I have witnessed with my own eyes animators who, having been hurt and having lost their confidence, gradually lose the brilliance in their work. Please consider that by participating in this kind of behavior, you are contributing to exactly that. And please also consider that you are causing pain to other fans who love Dragon Ball just as much as you do. I sincerely hope that my intention comes across clearly. 海外のファンから私が尊敬する山室さんがヘイトされている。 大まかな内容は、彼のDBZ時代は良かったのに、段々質が落ちたというのだ。しかし彼らの意見を聞いていると、作画内容ではなく、ハイライトや色彩に関して山室さんがヘイトされているのだ。それがDBへの愛ゆえだとは十分に想像がつく。 制作現場を知らない一般のファンが、作画で影響力がある山室さんの責任でそうなっていると誤解をしたことは仕方がないとは思う。しかしDBは東映動画という企業で制作されている以上、一般の企業と同じで、ボスが総ての責任であるのは海外も日本もアニメ現場も同じである。山室さん一人で決めれるわけがない。責任を負うべきは監督・シリーズディレクターであり、大きな概念では東映動画そのものである。 しかも彩色に至っては、参照したYouTubeの動画でも触れられているように、山室さんは全くの専門外である。それは山室さんの責任でも、色彩設定担当の責任でもない。上層部が話し合って決定された事項であるのも一般企業と同じだ。ましてや彼は東映動画所属ではない、別の企業に所属している。 インターネット上で個人の名前を出して、ヘイトするというのは、DBへの愛が間違った方向へ向かってしまったと言わざるを得ない。貴方達個人からいわれのない事を名指しで言われ、今まで長年頑張ってDBを支えて来た山室さんは、どんな風に思うか考えてみてほしい。どんなに心を痛めてしまうか考えてみてほしい。彼はクリエーターだ。繊細な心を持っているがゆえに、人より傷つきやすいのは言うまでもない。 傷ついて自信を無くしたアニメーターが、絵の輝きを失っていく姿を私は現場で見て来た。そういった事に加担することにもなることを考えてみてほしい。そして、同じようにDBを愛する別のファンの心も痛めつけることになることも。 どうか私の意図することが、しっかり伝わりますように。 ーーーーーーーーーーーーーーーーーーーーーーーー 山室は今でも絵がめちゃくちゃ上手いです。 私は仕事で監督の絵を修正で貰ってますが、パッと見てわかりました。 やっぱり武術の達人らしい動きでした Yamamuro's drawings are still incredibly skilled even now. I receive the director's drawings for correction at work, and I could tell at a glance. As expected, the movements were truly those of a martial arts master. #DB #DragonBall　#Yamamuro

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@JordanLDurham Sick

I made this on the Fly last night playing with multitracking and loops. Tons of fun. Hope you all have a great day!