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Why are the standards higher for The Bachelorette than the President of the United States?

@abefrohman84 @The_Catechumen Those prayers were made to God, not to Saints. I get it, you need to apply nefarious motives to Protestants (vanity, etc) to justify why you’re Catholic. I am simply pointing out why we hold our sincere beliefs. If one believes the Nicene & Apostles creeds, they are Christian.

@therealreadonly @The_Catechumen I’m sure you sincerely believe what you say, but you’re wrong. There are patrician sources and archaeological inscriptions predating the Bible showing prayer to saints. And Rev 5:8 & 8:3-4 clearly show angels & saints offering our prayers to God.

Saying, “I believe in one, holy, Catholic, and apostolic Church,” but redefining every word doesn’t mean you actually affirm the creed. Catholics can profess the marks specifically as they were intended to be defined - and as they were explained by the fathers/those contemporaneous to promulgation of the creed. You can’t. It’s the same thing creedal baptists do when they redefine “one baptism for the forgiveness of sins” to mean “one baptism that doesn’t forgive your sins but only symbolizes the forgiveness you’ve already received.” It’s the same problem. You aren’t really AFFIRMING the creed, because you shift the meaning away from what those words were intended to convey by the fathers. You’re misappropriating it.

@DaleStarkA10 @DLoesch Not you too Dale?

@DLoesch Dana Loesch is the new Laura Loomer.

Joe Kent is the new Alexander Vindman.

@abefrohman84 @The_Catechumen Yes I have, and yes I do. My point is clear, Marian prayer, or prayer to Saints, & other Catholic practices are completely made up out of thin air with no basis in scripture or the early church. Smear Luther/Calvin all you want, they grounded beliefs in God’s word, not man’s.

@therealreadonly @The_Catechumen Have you read the Epistles in their entirety? Are you aware of the context they were written in, and their immediate purpose? 1 Peter encourages persecuted Christians, 2 Peter warns of false teachers. Why would either address Marian prayer? They aren’t catechisms.

@abefrohman84 @The_Catechumen Are you aware that every Protestant believes & recites the creeds? That they agree on the decisions of early councils & which books would make up scripture? The Reformation renewed the church and sought to set a standard that worship and doctrine had to be grounded in Gods word.

@therealreadonly @The_Catechumen Everything the Catholic Church teaches is “backed up by God’s inspired word.” I assume you (falsely) believe “God’s inspired word” is a synonym for the Bible. Since you’re sola Scriptura, please show me where the Bible states that.

@abefrohman84 @The_Catechumen You are saying with a straight face, that Peter, who knew Mary personally, told his flock to pray to her, yet never mentioned this in his letters? Do you think Peter administered communion in both kinds, or just one part?

@therealreadonly @The_Catechumen You’re saying— straightfaced— that a tradition that places all authority on the written word “is the closest thing” to the Church when the Gospel was being spread primarily— if not entirely— by word of mouth? That’s a take.

@abefrohman84 @The_Catechumen Sola Scriptura is the closest thing to the Apostles’ church. You act as if God hid his will. He was pretty clear. Luther told us to follow God and take comfort in his word, not watch it be twisted for human gain. Rejected this takes as much intellectual vanity as believing it.

@therealreadonly @The_Catechumen Sola Scriptura was Luther’s biggest lie. It was the triumph of vanity: My interpretation of Sacred Scripture has greater authority than the Church itself. It was the only way he could “win” his arguments. In so doing, he dismantled the very idea of authority. Including his own.

@abefrohman84 @The_Catechumen This entire post is making arguments I never made. The Catholic Church was wrong even its leaders were not corrupt. It added rules and beliefs that could not be backed up by God’s inspired word and in many cases against earlier traditions. Luther was a great man, but not perfect.

@therealreadonly @The_Catechumen Wait— the Catholic Church is doctrinally wrong because it had corrupt leaders, but your tradition is pure despite being literally founded by a sleazebag? At least be consistent in your arguments.

@abefrohman84 @The_Catechumen No. But that statement is not taught nor is it any foundation of any church. Are you under the impression that Protestants believe their founders (or any church fathers) are infallible? Sola scripture does not encompass anyone’s treatises (that includes church fathers).

@therealreadonly @The_Catechumen So you “consistently” agree with this? “Do not ask anything of your conscience; and if it speaks, do not listen to it; if it insists, stifle it, amuse yourself; if necessary, commit some good big sin, in order to drive it away. Conscience is the voice of Satan…”

@abefrohman84 @The_Catechumen Corrupt clergy in 1517 included the Pope, every Cardinals, and most Bishops. Luther sought to bring the church back to its original beliefs. When that failed, new churchs took its place. Even Calvinists have been consistent for 500 years (and also follow & love church fathers)

@therealreadonly @The_Catechumen The theology behind indulgences hasn’t really changed. Corrupt clergy certainly abused and exploited it, and those abuses were corrected. Before we talk about papal infallibility I have a few questions for you.

@abefrohman84 @The_Catechumen Luther’s theology was consistent with many church fathers like Augustine, and as a professor and Doctor of Theology he was certainly in a position to correct errors. Of course he read Aquinas, he completely rejected Greek humanist influences. Ockham was not an influence on him.

@therealreadonly @The_Catechumen FWIW Luther’s theology was abysmal. He was an Ockhamist who never read a word of Aquinas, yet arrogantly believed he was in a position to correct doctrinal errors. It’s a pity he didn’t limit himself to pointing out abuses, as more faithful Catholics also did.

@abefrohman84 @The_Catechumen Was the Catholic Church wrong in 1517 for promoting indulgences, or is it wrong for saying indulgences are no longer needed now? After you answer that, we talk about Papal infallibility. My church hasn’t changed its views on anything in 500 years, yours has.

@therealreadonly @The_Catechumen About what specifically?

@redsteeze @BecketAdams If it makes you feel better, I had a sensible chuckle reading this tweet.

@BecketAdams Have you seen the fallout from it in the media?

Ugh, that awkward silence. The joke bombed.

@abefrohman84 @The_Catechumen You didn’t answer my question. Was the Catholic church wrong in 1517 or are they wrong now? Also I am not a Calvinist, I am a Confessional Lutheran (and Luther loved Augustine, who is also my favorite church father).

@therealreadonly @The_Catechumen Jesus promised that the gates of hell would not prevail against the Church. Even when psychopaths like that one guy from Geneva try to pull it down.

@TheStaad You are an American citizen. Since the government of Iran hates us and has been killing Americans in terrorist attacks for 40 years, our current gov’t decided it would be safer for its citizens if Iran did not have nukes. Israel agreeing with us does not change that fact.

As bad as the things that are being revealed are, I still don’t think we have a clue how deep the rot goes in our government and institutions I’ll never be an Israeli subject I belong to the New Israel: the Catholic Church

@abefrohman84 @The_Catechumen Tell me, was the church wrong then, or is the church wrong now? According to you it’s wrong to interpret the Bible or spiritual matters outside Catholic Church decrees. Which is it? And if the church was wrong in the 1500’s that would mean the Protestants had a reason to leave.

@therealreadonly @The_Catechumen Despite all appearances, you were not predestined to be an a$$hole.

@The_Catechumen Considering the creed was written before the East-West schism, there was only the church. Using your logic, the Eastern Orthodox Church could claim the same thing. You don’t get to redefine terms or words, no matter how many times you want to.

@therealreadonly “Catholic Church” was treated as rhe proper name for the Church. Not just an adjective.

@hillbillythings True Christians want Iran to get a nuke and accept money from radical Islamic fundamentalists to undermine the President.

You are not a Christian if you support this man and his demon state Israel.

@abefrohman84 @The_Catechumen Make sure and give plenty of money to a monastery to say masses for dead loved ones so they can get out of purgatory, just as Jesus commanded right?

@therealreadonly @The_Catechumen Wait until you find out the consequences of believing you’re the only one with the power to correctly interpret Scripture. Let’s hope that doesn’t happen too late.

@MattFinkes Except the second restaurant just negotiated a new TV contract last year that made it profitable and will sign an even bigger TV contract due to large viewership gains before the just signed players’ contract ends. Other than that, great point.

Correct. The current WNBA business model would be the same as a person who owns 2 restaurants. One makes money, the other loses money. They use the profits from the profitable one to run the losing one. Now they just gave raises to all the workers of the losing restaurant using more funds from the profitable one.