j

@TotalSteveO @KieraDiss Stockwell

@KieraDiss Where in London is that?

A bus driver in south London had to clear the road of dozens of Lime bikes. Where did they all come from? A terrible idea.

@ShruggedAslef @TotalSteveO @KieraDiss It's not. It's stockwell

@TotalSteveO @KieraDiss It’s AI slop

@but_cyclists That's outside stockwell tube. I guess people cycling to the station and lime not redistributing?

What in the absolute fuck is going on with Lime bikes in London at the moment?

@RealismHelps @westcountrytim Then post them. I've just shown you an ifs study which refutes your whole argument

@theyoungapple @westcountrytim What figures? Hard to comment at all when you won't share where they're from. My sources are readily available online via .gov

Cycle counter @CS3Count on the Embankment cycle lane in London at 2,914 cycle journeys for the day at 08:37 this morning.

@RealismHelps @westcountrytim No clue what your point is. You seem very confused.

@theyoungapple @westcountrytim Yup. Hence the awaited 'externalities' which often calculates things like 'health' and 'accident' etc based upon journies rather than the actual number of travellers.

@RealismHelps @westcountrytim Yeah it you don't know basic relevant terminology then it's clear you have no idea what you're talking about.

@theyoungapple @westcountrytim Ok. Bye then. I and people reading this aren't mind-readers so have NFI what each ratio number refers to or indeed the acronym C/B. See yer.

@RealismHelps @westcountrytim You've not provided a source once FYI. Prove my figures wrong with a source of your own. I've said that multiple times and you've not done that once. ifs.org.uk/sites/default/…

@theyoungapple @westcountrytim Source please? Can't just make up numbers and must then apply the same to the cycle lane of course.

@RealismHelps @westcountrytim Exactly - people already do and tfl works to try and reduce peaks. They still occur and will get worse as a city grows.

@theyoungapple @westcountrytim @CS3Count Yep - I used to. Never had a problem Euston to Canary wharf, even coming home at 1730.

@RealismHelps @westcountrytim I'm not going to do your homework for you. You can look up car externalities yourself.

@theyoungapple @westcountrytim @CS3Count 1. Which is what? There's many other parts of London. 2. How many more times? I've given you the numbers?No - I keep asking for the externalities to account for, but never get a response.

@RealismHelps @westcountrytim @CS3Count As is the same with any transport means

@theyoungapple @westcountrytim @CS3Count No-one has refuted yor claimed 16k per day, but I suggest you've missed that that doesn't mean 16k x 230 (working) days of people as it'll be mostly the same people every day.

@RealismHelps @westcountrytim @CS3Count I've answered this so many times. In externalities it's at minimum a 1:4 C/B. Other calculations do up to 1:19. If you're not able to understand that then I'm going to stop engaging.

@theyoungapple @westcountrytim @CS3Count AFAIK there are no proposals to build any more? They're what's called sunk costs, depreciated to zero over a given period (for assets, usually 4 years). 5th time of asking - what's the revenue position for the cycle lane?

@RealismHelps @westcountrytim @CS3Count It's around 17p per mile per vehicle in external costs

@theyoungapple @westcountrytim @CS3Count simple/direct question. 'Externalities' - put a credible £ number on them?

@RealismHelps @westcountrytim @CS3Count That's not how the world works though if it. People already do this.

@theyoungapple @westcountrytim @CS3Count At brief periods each day. you need to start work earlier or later.

@RealismHelps @westcountrytim @CS3Count 1. Westminster has a shortage of appropriate office accom. You're missing the point. 2. 2017 is not irrelevant. Find one study showing I'm wrong. You can't. You've not accounted for externalities once - perhaps because you don't understand it.

@theyoungapple @westcountrytim @CS3Count 1. you're missing the point - a large proportion of travellers in London come from/live outside. Office capacity isn't an issue 2. You (ancient) 'evidence' is ancient, so easily refuted by date alone. I've shown you the total cost vs revenue for road use.

@RealismHelps @westcountrytim @CS3Count You're being purposely obtuse. I said you should do it to see how well used it is.

@theyoungapple @westcountrytim @CS3Count 8. You posted 'Please feel free to cycle in central london' - silly me, I thought you meant 'Please feel free to cycle in central london' and replied accordingly......

@RealismHelps @westcountrytim @CS3Count Many do. It is over capacity.

@theyoungapple @westcountrytim @CS3Count 8.1. It wouldn't as many would use public transport.

@RealismHelps @westcountrytim @CS3Count I've already told you what the capex of a tube line vs a bike lane is.

@theyoungapple @westcountrytim @CS3Count 5. Which are?

@RealismHelps @westcountrytim @CS3Count Find a study that shows the opposite then. The one I sent uses a well regarded calculator with updated figures for post covid.

@theyoungapple @westcountrytim @CS3Count 'Report for the Bicycle Association' I did specifically ask for a credible source?

@RealismHelps @westcountrytim @CS3Count 1. Office capacity is constantly increasing in the city. People come here for other reasons too such as leisure. 2. You're not refuting my evidence so I'm glad you've come round to understand cyclings positive economic contribution. Your figures do not count externalities

@theyoungapple @westcountrytim @CS3Count 1. Sorry. Disagree. whilst the number LIVING in the postdoes areas is predicted to grow, I contest they'll all commute into zone1? 2. Mine are posted already....no 'study' required. 2025 figures

@RealismHelps @westcountrytim @CS3Count 8. So what if it doesn't pertain to your specific use case? You can't move that on the tube either, but you've been using that as the comparison. The lane benefits us both - If everyone cycling in cs3 was in a car, your drive in would be even slower!

@theyoungapple @westcountrytim @CS3Count 7. Generally or in cities? The latter is correct. See below. 8. Even at my fittest a 45 mile one-way journey and then working afterwards was never possible. Bear in mind, a lot of London's traffic is commercial - will the bike lane move the 1.5t my van has to?