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@yonkobones @brndxix Sure you can be healthy and eat meat. You can also be healthy and be vegan.

@user79433468 @brndxix any “fact” that eating is bad for you nutritionally, is wrong you can make the argument that an abundance of meat is bad, but that literally applies to everything

I enjoy eating meat as much as the next guy but this is proving their point lmao

@dr_sully @brndxix The poster shows that most people draw the line completely arbitrarily. Like most people would be horrified to eat a dog but will gladly eat pigs even though they are more intelligent. I think that’s a really clear point.

@user79433468 @brndxix So explain the poster at the top of the thread.

@dr_sully @brndxix I’m not even vegan. I eat meat. The post you replied to initially literally says this. But every time I do, I’m failing to reach my own moral standards. So I’m not even claiming moral superiority here I’m just trying to be honest about things.

@user79433468 @brndxix Lmao so you get the point why we view animals as lesser than us?

@dr_sully @brndxix Also this is just the standard vegan position. You have a strawman of the vegan position in your head and you aren’t arguing in good faith. Yes, most vegans will agree that necessary animal deaths are acceptable because humans over animals.

@user79433468 @brndxix Woowwww, so millions of deaths are "acceptable" to you now? Wtf kinda vegan are you? Eating meat is obviously necessary, you clown. How come we never see you vegans protesting against the Islamic slaughter of animals by halal? Weird.

@dr_sully @brndxix Eating meat is NOT necessary. Humans can survive and actually thrive on a fully plant based diet. This is scientifically established fact. And the halal comment is just a deflection. I’d apply the same standards to any method of slaughter. Unnecessary animal suffering is wrong.

@dr_sully @brndxix Like just because I think animals aren’t as valuable as humans this doesn’t mean they don’t deserve moral consideration.

@dr_sully @brndxix Yes. However, I don’t get how ‘they’re lesser than us’ means we get to industrially breed them by the billions, confine them in crates they can’t turn around in, and slaughter them by the BILLIONS when we don’t have to. We do not need to do this.

@dr_sully @brndxix And yes — I fully acknowledge it is impossible to eliminate animal suffering entirely. No intelligent vegan claims otherwise. Vegans are not aiming for perfect, they are aiming for less. Again UNNECESSARY animal suffering is what I think is wrong.

@user79433468 @brndxix Ohhhh so they're "incidental" deaths that are done for no reason. But you don't do anything to prevent those deaths, just shrug you shoulders and say, "Hey, could be worse." Why do insects matter less to you than cows or pigs?

@dr_sully @brndxix You have a straw man view of veganism. It’s all about causing the least harm to animals as possible. Animals die all the time in crop production. This is acceptable because it is necessary. Eating meat is NOT necessary for people. It causes unnecessary suffering. Understand?

@user79433468 @brndxix So how are you any different to the meat eaters you try to demonise? At least the animals we kill are eaten. You moralise and virtue signal whilst the only animals you kill are left dead on the ground.

@dr_sully @brndxix As for insects? Sure, let’s minimize that too, which is exactly why eating plants directly is better — as I’ve already proven. But we are talking about PIGS. Being gassed in chambers. By the millions. Animals that are scientifically proven to be more intelligent than dogs.

@dr_sully @brndxix Let me be clear about my actual position, in good faith. I do NOT think every living thing deserves equal consideration. But sentient animals, animals that can feel pain, fear, and distress, deserve basic moral consideration.

@dr_sully @brndxix let me use small words. You eat meat. Meat needs LOTS of crops. Lots of crops kills LOTS of bugs. I eat no meat. I need FEWER crops. Fewer crops kills FEWER bugs. Me = less bug death. You = more bug death. YOU brought up bugs. YOU lose bugs argument. Do you need a drawing?

@dr_sully @brndxix Also, comparing the unavoidable incidental insect deaths from growing plants to the deliberate industrial slaughter of billions of sentient animals is genuinely laughable. It’s a joke.

@user79433468 @brndxix So tell me what you're doing to reduce insect or bug deaths in the making of your food? Or do you magically not give a shit about insect deaths?

@Kmad_3 @DalexK0rn @brndxix We are omnivores. But we can survive and actually thrive on a fully plant based diet.

@user79433468 @DalexK0rn @brndxix So you think humans are herbivores?

@yonkobones @brndxix You said vegans are wrong nutritionally. This isn’t true. It’s just not. Objectively.

@user79433468 @brndxix your point? i’m not advocating to eat what the average American eats, majority of American’s do not have a strict diet whether it contains meat or not so that claim is wholly irrelevant

@dr_sully @brndxix Since you care about bugs so much. It’s a pathetic and embarrassing argument honestly.

@dr_sully @brndxix Gotcha. It takes 6-10 calories of crop for 1 calorie of meat. Eating meat actually requires even more crops thus requires even more bug death. Most of the crops in the US are used to feed livestock. So most of the bug death is caused because of meat consumption.