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Will@wb_thorne·
@PhilWMagness Using Grok is convenient because you get to make a critique by proxy without doing the work, and with no personal responsibility for any mistakes it might make.
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Phil Magness@PhilWMagness·
I asked Grok to write a critical peer review of the Unlearning Economics guy's blog, "rent control is ackshually fine." The results are not pretty, and it mainly comes down to Cahal Moran either not knowing or willfully misrepresenting mainstream econ. x.com/i/grok/share/5…
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Will@wb_thorne·
@TheOmniZaddy @ChadNotChud @MattPolProf I think saying "the literature finds, "X, Y, Z" effects and overall I think this would be very harmful" is sufficient vs. "the literature finds this would be very harmful."
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TheOmniZaddy 🌹🌐🔰🏗
@wb_thorne @ChadNotChud @MattPolProf This is what I have been saying from the very beginning! I suppose I can make that list of moral priorities more clear upfront, but…it would be quite tiring to have to re-state them every single time I ever even come close to touching this subject matter. What would you do?
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delaniac 🌹🌱@ChadNotChud·
On the one hand, it’s what the platform incentivizes, but on the other I am rather disappointed by the number of Serious People who have “responded” to this article seemingly without having read… any of it?
Derek Thompson@DKThomp

I'm glad that the author of "Rent Control Is Fine, Actually" calls themself Unlearning Economics, bc it's good to just state things clearly, such as the open animosity that many left economic populists have for the field of economics and economists themselves. Economists aren't gods, and economics isn't a divine truth, but economists are good--better than most--at something critical for making public policy: They're good at identifying tradeoffs. "Rents are too high, so freeze them" is compelling politics. But in the absence of other pro-supply policies, if you make it illegal to increase rents, landlords will stop upgrading units and convert them to condos, which reduces the supply of units for rent, reduces mobility, and drives up rents for everybody else. The left econ populists have some clear, and clearly stated, policy ideas: - Rents are too high, so freeze them. - Electricity is expensive, so stop rate increases. - Homes are too expensive, so ban institutional investors. - Power prices are rising, so ban data center construction. ... All these policies feel like solutions because they're brisk, they name enemies, and they take on the most visible source of frustration. But they are much better as villain-naming exercises than they are as a complete public policy. On their own, each creates other problems: less housing built, less clean electricity built, abdicating energy policy by encouraging AI firms to build data centers abroad in unsavory countries with more emissions, etc. I can't think of a single economic populist idea that wouldn't be helped with a little dose of economics, which is why it's troubling when I see the left participating in, and even celebrating, the great unlearning of economics.

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Will@wb_thorne·
@TheOmniZaddy @ChadNotChud @MattPolProf Yes, the not-engaging and CV sniping was done by Thompson and many others. You were all good on that front! Apologies if that wasn't clear.
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TheOmniZaddy 🌹🌐🔰🏗
@wb_thorne @ChadNotChud @MattPolProf But I did engage with the content of the article. I read the full thing. I went to find the cited lit and read those (to the best of my ability to comprehend). I even found history of the author admitting error in his previous interpretation of said lit, a lie that was repeated.
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@wb_thorne @ChadNotChud @MattPolProf @JosephPolitano If this is some kind of petty internecine drama in the academic economics field, well, I have zero emotional investment in that because I am fairly detached from that field, and I would prefer it stay that way. Knowing that, may I continue with my “very harmful” assessment?
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TheOmniZaddy 🌹🌐🔰🏗
@wb_thorne @ChadNotChud @MattPolProf I do not question the existence of the author’s academic degree(s). I just say that the author is very very wrong and is trying to sanewash “very harmful” policy, because of my prioritization of growth, mobility, and spatial/wealth equality, which I see as Good Things. And?
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Will@wb_thorne·
@TheOmniZaddy @ChadNotChud @MattPolProf I don't have any issue with your personal view, I had a quibble that the literature can't be summarized in those terms. And broadly that the issue OP is describing: serious people not engaging with the content of the article. x.com/i/status/20506…
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@TheOmniZaddy @ChadNotChud @MattPolProf I think representing the tradeoffs of 2nd gen RC as simply "very harmful" is just as much a distortion of the literature as UE may be doing. There are real tangible benefits (and all the well-known costs) same goes for tariffs, or whatever else.

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TheOmniZaddy 🌹🌐🔰🏗
@wb_thorne @ChadNotChud @MattPolProf Yes, and I have made my case above, and have come to the conclusion that the policy is “very harmful”. Notice that I have not attacked any CVs, nor invoked any credentialism. What is your problem with *me*, specifically?
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Will@wb_thorne·
@TheOmniZaddy @ChadNotChud @MattPolProf Economists very regularly argue for tax cuts which exacerbate inequality in a way I and many others wouldn't prefer. People do not pick apart their CVs for signs of weakness, or refer to them as cranks or kooks, or debate if they are economists at all.
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Will@wb_thorne·
@TheOmniZaddy @ChadNotChud @MattPolProf This is a good example. If some economist said "I think prop 13 is fine" the interpretation would be "this person places a lot of value on incumbent homeowners" not "this person is not an economist" and a long list of personal attacks with little engagement with the material.
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@cyclnvancouver The Reagan-appointed judge determined this wasn't legal
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cyclnvancouver8060@cyclnvancouver·
@wb_thorne Obviously in capitalism firms are born and many die. Along the way, many also consolidate or merge. Government decided that once firms get to a certain size, they need approval to merge. It wasnt granted here. Thats not capitalism. Thats politics.
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Will@wb_thorne·
@Stick3322 @cjsnowdon @PhilWMagness This lit review is great, a good summary of the effects of 1st generation rent control. It turns out that policy-makers know the effects of 1st generation rent control and invented something different, 2nd generation, which this lit review does not distinguish.
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Phil Magness@PhilWMagness·
"Why don't you write a line by line refutation of the Unlearning Economics guy's blog in support of rent control?" is the econ equivalent of asking an astronomer: "Why don't you refute this random youtube video proving the world is suspended on the back of a giant turtle?"
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Will@wb_thorne·
@TheOmniZaddy @ChadNotChud @MattPolProf So should Economists say every policy that is not the best one is "very harmful"? That does not seem very useful. No one is lying about policies.
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TheOmniZaddy 🌹🌐🔰🏗
@wb_thorne @ChadNotChud @MattPolProf You are describing the job of a politician — to manage coalitions, count votes, and pass legislative packages as necessary even if it contains some things that are not good. The job of an economist, or people who write about policy, is not to lie about the individual policies.
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Will@wb_thorne·
@TheOmniZaddy @ChadNotChud @MattPolProf Here's a more pointed question: Would lifting restrictions on, say, building heights in combination with second gen rent control overall help or harm rental supply? Economists aren't ever getting their first best policy choice, so relative ranking is much more important.
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Will@wb_thorne·
@TheOmniZaddy @ChadNotChud @MattPolProf Sure, nothing wrong with believing that, I believe that as well! But I could not write that in my dissertation because my preferred society might (and does) look very different from other people's.
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