@nekaishi @boozyfayde i think the big difference in those kind of horror games is though, that you dont have an entire crafting system where you could potentially build weapons. in subnautica you do
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@boozyfayde Oh yeah I actually just said this exact thing on another comment actually before seeing yours haha
I agree. All the best horror games I’ve played have made the player helpless to defend themselves, which builds genuine dread and fear
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Starting to wonder if the publisher tried to fire these people for more reasons than just their bonuses...
There was so much good faith and love from the fans— millions of people on their side—and they're spitting in our faces like we're bugs
First the EULA and now this? 😬
Pirat_Nation 🔴@Pirat_Nation
Subnautica 2 devs say "go play Sons of the Forest" if you don't like its lack of violence. The game focuses on underwater exploration, and you cannot kill most creatures. On the official Discord, one player asked why killing is impossible in SN2 as it makes no sense. Level designer Artyom O’Rielly replied, “This is not a killing game, so go play Sons of the Forest if you want to kill.” Another developer said, “The team discusses this a lot inside the studio and may let players catch small fish for food, but large creatures will stay safe so the game feels right.” This idea comes from the first Subnautica, as the team wants players to discover things, feel wonder, and live with ocean life instead of fighting it. A fan-made mod already lets players kill creatures, and the studio is reading all feedback. It plans to add better ways to scare off creatures but will not add weapons. Early access is expected to last up to 3 years.
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@JethroTull69 @Kalebjayboss motherfucking WET ANIMAL CROSSING XD i cant dude. i genuinely laughed out loud at that. fucking gold
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@Kalebjayboss why’d they make a survival game if they didn’t want survival themes?
they shoulda made a wet animal crossing
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Example #10000 about why game devs should be meaner to gamers because they don't respect their artistic vision or intent when making their game.
Pirat_Nation 🔴@Pirat_Nation
Subnautica 2 devs say "go play Sons of the Forest" if you don't like its lack of violence. The game focuses on underwater exploration, and you cannot kill most creatures. On the official Discord, one player asked why killing is impossible in SN2 as it makes no sense. Level designer Artyom O’Rielly replied, “This is not a killing game, so go play Sons of the Forest if you want to kill.” Another developer said, “The team discusses this a lot inside the studio and may let players catch small fish for food, but large creatures will stay safe so the game feels right.” This idea comes from the first Subnautica, as the team wants players to discover things, feel wonder, and live with ocean life instead of fighting it. A fan-made mod already lets players kill creatures, and the studio is reading all feedback. It plans to add better ways to scare off creatures but will not add weapons. Early access is expected to last up to 3 years.
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@TheSystem_0 @Daikazo2 then they should also take into account that a group of people will be very displeased with that decision. and will lose even more of players by throwing out messages like "if you dont like it, go play the forest". THATS disingenuous in my opinion.
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Sometimes devs do not take into account what players are gonna do with a tool, and if it result in something that they don’t want to promote that they have a clear stance against they either patch it or make it clear that in the next installment is not gonna be present, because of course changing something that is already establish on a game may result in negative feedback, but for honesty they have been very clear that at some point they weren’t gonna include it on the new titles.
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This is so disingenuous because everybody was SO hyped for Subnautica 2. The first game is in my top 5 of ALL TIME. Nobody went into this game wanting to hate it.
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@TheSystem_0 @Daikazo2 also whats immersion breaking to you, does not have to be to others. you cant expect everyone to have the same experience. devs give you the tools to play the game. how you use them, should be up to the player. (as long as it doesnt harm other players of course)
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No sorry but no one spend 20 minutes to kill a leviathan using glitches and hitting them 170 times with a knife, it was never an enjoyable experience, you are being completely disingenuous trying to force a mechanics that was never design to fit the game, no one’s like to spend that much time killing a single mob using glitches that are immersion breaking.
This is an overreaction to the current game, the current game is clearly being enjoyed by the majority
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@TheSystem_0 @Daikazo2 yes, people enjoy it. and others dont, who were used to being able to defend themselves. now they dont have only 2 parties (those who like and those who dislike the game) now they have a third one: those who used to like it and now dont.
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@TheSystem_0 @Daikazo2 im not trying to force anything. im just trying to dismantle your argument as to why it happened in the first one and allegedly couldnt be changed afterwards if that was "not supposed to do what it was doing". it was seemingly not a big deal breaker to take it out afterwards.
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@skullyz_z @TheSystem_0 @Daikazo2 at least thats a better, logical take than simply saying "it was never meant to be like this, but was nonetheless"? XD that would at least be a better excuse if they had some spagetthi code that would have fucked it all up (though technically maybe increase the hp to infinite)
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@xXArsenXx @TheSystem_0 @Daikazo2 And so there is alot of room for the game to just break potentially and why the second game allowed them to go the non killing path more faithfully. This is just my own speculation though.
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@TheSystem_0 @Daikazo2 after everyone who played the first one, is now used to being able to defend themselves. its stupid, plain and simple.
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@TheSystem_0 @Daikazo2 we have the answer, its that they were talking out of their ass like i said previously. because they could have either removed the HP bar or made it impossible to deal damage. so "now" they enforce what they allegedly envisioned for the first one into the new one
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@xXArsenXx @TeoS69 he was blocked, he spammed me with 3 replies on each of mine. Annoying ass
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@TheSystem_0 @Daikazo2 so not only were they clearly talking out of their ass (if they actually said that about the knife) cause it would make 0 logical sense to say that while still having HP bars for them in the game, but you also regurgitate said thing. (im praying you know how dumb it sounds)
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As I said ask them, is not like I have direct contact with the devs to answer every single questions I only have the current information that is available, for my understanding is that they simple stopped updating their first game to focus on the new ones.
But again I’m not a dev they never intended for players to exploit the knife to kill the leviathan either glitches and similar exploits
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@TheSystem_0 @Daikazo2 okay, then why say "the knife wasnt supposed to be a lethal weapon" so confidently? i mean they could have patched it out any time they wanted.. clearly that was not the case?
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@xXArsenXx @Daikazo2 Ask them, I’m not a dev
I’m just telling you what they said back in 2020 , probkabky because they where a small and inexperienced team of developers let’s not forgot that subnautica was their first game
they are also very active in discord to respond to any question s
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@TheSystem_0 @Daikazo2 kind of a dumb take. if that was their stance even in the first game and they "didnt expect anyone to pull it off" then why add a lifebar or make it killable in the first place?
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The knife wasn’t suppose to be a lethal weapon used to kill literally Lovecraftian abominations, it literally toke 170 hits to kill a ghost leviathan and you would have to use exploits and glitch in order to block it from moving so it wouldn’t eat your ass. In 2018 they said they didn’t expect anyone to actually pull it off and that in the future they would have to restrict it even more
This always been their stance
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Subnautica 2 devs say "go play Sons of the Forest" if you don't like its lack of violence.
The game focuses on underwater exploration, and you cannot kill most creatures.
On the official Discord, one player asked why killing is impossible in SN2 as it makes no sense. Level designer Artyom O’Rielly replied,
“This is not a killing game, so go play Sons of the Forest if you want to kill.” Another developer said, “The team discusses this a lot inside the studio and may let players catch small fish for food, but large creatures will stay safe so the game feels right.”
This idea comes from the first Subnautica, as the team wants players to discover things, feel wonder, and live with ocean life instead of fighting it.
A fan-made mod already lets players kill creatures, and the studio is reading all feedback. It plans to add better ways to scare off creatures but will not add weapons.
Early access is expected to last up to 3 years.
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@MessItUp82 @Grummz i kind of get it but... its still kinda dumb. especially when you are able to craft tools. thats why i dont play horror games where you cant defend yourself. i just hate this feeling of helplessness. i guess the players will speak out if they dont like it and maybe change it
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@xXArsenXx @Grummz True but you get the idea behind it being unkillable and just somthing to keep you scared and on your toes
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Subnautica 2 is a pacifist ideology woven into a game.
Players have noticed you cannot defend yourself against attacking fish. Not even in self defense. Only passive means are available.
This was by design. You can't kill anything because the devs feel it would support gun violence and aspects of colonialism:
"Subnautica is one vote towards a world with less guns. A reminder that there is another way forward."
"We want people to feel like they're learning to adapt to the world, rather than being a conqueror or dominator."
"We aren't a killing game. Go play Sons of the Forest or something if you want to kill."
The anti-violence stance got stronger from Subnautica 1 -> 2, which now has a complete "no kill" policy even when the fish can still kill *you*.
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@jifferey to me its incredibly stupid in a game where you can craft and build stuff. like "i have the ability to craft a spear but id prefer using my knowledge to reinforce a wall that i would have to repair over and over again instead of getting rid of the threat". this aint outlast.
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There's levels to this. Its a complicated balance between: frustration and fear.
These beasts are so tough we can't hurt them and need to evade them.
Or
Wow the invincible monster is attacking me again and I can't defend myself. Awwwwesome.
Personally it feels like the latter
Pirat_Nation 🔴@Pirat_Nation
The developers of Subnautica 2 want to keep the game non-violent like the first one. They want players to adapt and live with the ocean creatures instead of fighting or killing them with weapons. This core idea started years ago when studio founder Charlie Cleveland chose to leave guns out of the series after the Sandy Hook shooting. He wanted the game to feel like peaceful exploration of nature rather than adding more violence to the world. Even though fans from one country overwhelmingly asked for the chance to craft weapons in the sequel the team says this will be a repeated point of resistance. One developer explained "I think it's a point of resistance that we'll get repeatedly while making the game though we feel strongly about it." So players must instead use smart tools evasion and distraction to survive.
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@MessItUp82 @Grummz i get there should be a level of suspense there. and by all means those huge fuckers shouldnt be easy to kill. but having seemingly no option to defend yourself except maybe with "build better armor" seems... eh.. just my opinion though.
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