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@JackHadfield14 You worsened from immunoadsorption? What kind of was it exactly? Why do you think it worsened your condition? No positive effects at all, just worsening? Sorry to hear by the way.
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Alessandro Palombo
Alessandro Palombo@thealepalombo·
This is Porto Cesareo, Salento, Puglia. One of the best beaches in Italy. That's why Puglia is so hot these days. Skip August, if you can visit in June or September. Have you been?
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@ZdenekVrozina Anyway, it’s super interesting to find out what is going on immunewise…so if people could get tested to know what is going on with their individual immune systeme, that would be great. That’s why it really caught my attention.
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Zdenek Vrozina
Zdenek Vrozina@ZdenekVrozina·
Why don’t we usually call post HIV fatigue ME/CFS? Because HIV is a known, named, testable disease with its own pathway, biomarkers, treatment field, clinical category etc So when someone with HIV develops chronic fatigue, cognitive symptoms, autonomic problems, PEM, medicine tends to call it HIV-associated fatigue - not primary ME/CFS. That does not mean the phenotype cannot overlap. It means the label follows the known cause. This is important for Long Covid too - similar clinical phenotype can arise from different upstream biology. EBV, HIV, SARS, Q fever, Lyme all may produce chronic fatigue syndromes. But similar symptoms do not automatically mean identical disease. That is also why I wouldn’t throw this study in the trash. Medicine often names syndromes by the known trigger or context. HIV-associated fatigue, post-Q fever fatigue, LC, ME/CFS etc The phenotypes can overlap. But the upstream biology may still differ. This study is useful because it asks whether LC and ME/CFS look immunologically interchangeable. In this cohort, they did not.
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Zdenek Vrozina
Zdenek Vrozina@ZdenekVrozina·
Important new study. ME/CFS and Long COVID are not the same thing. Yes, they can look very similar from the outside - crushing fatigue, PEM, brain fog, dysautonomia. But when researchers looked deeper into the immune system, the biology looked different🧵
Harry Spoelstra@HarrySpoelstra

Comprehensive Immunophenotyping of Monocytes and Dendritic Cells Suggests Distinct Pathophysiology in Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and Long COVID 🚨Interesting new decisive data confirming divergence: ME/CFS and Long COVID are NOT the same disease! ➡️This international study used multiparameter flow cytometry on peripheral blood mononuclear cells to compare immune profiles in ME/CFS (n=103), Long COVID (n=63), and healthy controls (n=41). It targeted monocytes (M1/M2-like), dendritic cells (DCs), and T-cell subsets to uncover disease-specific signatures, ➡️Long COVID Profile: - Marked by increased M2-like monocyte polarization, elevated CD80 (costimulatory marker) across monocyte subsets, DC expansion, and paradoxically reduced activation markers (e.g., CD69+CD38), - Indicates persistent immune activation combined with exhaustion features, ➡️ME/CFS Profile: - Characterized by reduced costimulatory molecule expression (e.g., lower CD80 on DCs/monocytes), impaired CCR7 expression (disrupting immune cell trafficking), and less coordinated activation patterns, consistent with immune suppression, ➡️Additional Analyses: - Correlation networks showed more extensive, integrated immune interactions in Long COVID vs. fragmented patterns in ME/CFS, - Principal component analysis (PCA) and PLS-DA revealed distinct immunophenotypic clusters, enabling moderate discrimination between the two conditions (AUC ~0.76 in moderate cases), ➡️Implications: - Age-adjusted statistics confirmed differences, - Findings point to divergent post-infectious immunopathologies rather than a shared syndrome, ➡️Conclusion: - ME/CFS and Long COVID are not the same disease, - They drive opposite immune failures, one of chronic hyper-activation tipping into exhaustion, the other of outright suppression and trafficking collapse, - Treating them as interchangeable is scientifically indefensible and clinically harmful, - Distinct biomarkers now exist: →Separate pathophysiology demands separate diagnostics and therapies! #MECFS #LongCOVID #AvoidSars2 #AvoidReinfections mdpi.com/1422-0067/27/1…

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YP@yvopitt·
@ZdenekVrozina So I understood it like this - if there is “the“ kind of PEM (current up-to-date definition of experts), it is ME. So someone with LC without PEM doesn‘t have ME. Though they can suffer from a lot of fatigue. Someone with LC with PEM has ME, too (from Covid).
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Yes, I do find it useful and interesting - see your last sentence. I‘m just confused as I thought the real-deal and very specific PEM is a hallmark symptome of ME/CFS specifically. Other kind of chronic fatigue syndromes do exist. Fatigue though is not cardinal symptome of ME. PEM is.
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If you got further thoughts regarding that, I‘d appreciate further input. Maybe another post? Would be interesting to know if there are 2 different immune types of ME/CFS if you know what I mean. A specific one possibly after SARS-CoV2. And thank you for all your efforts! Much appreciated
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Zdenek Vrozina
Zdenek Vrozina@ZdenekVrozina·
@yvopitt The paper describes average immune patterns across cohorts, not a clinical test for individuals. For finer distinction in a specific patient, actual immunophenotyping would be needed.
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@ZdenekVrozina Interesting subject. Especially as I understand it that way that sby with LC/PCC that has PEM does have ME/CFS. Guess I gotta take a closer look at the paper to see how/if they evaluated PEM or how/if they differenciated between people with LC/PCC WITH or WITHOUT PEM.
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If one develops Long Covid/Post Covid Condition after infection and from it - as most severe part - ME/CFS (fulfilling all offical criteria, of course cardinal symptom PEM) plus classic comorbidities like MCAS, POTS/orthostatic intolerance, SFN, what can one make of it in the context of that study? Type 1 or 2 more likely?
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Zdenek Vrozina
Zdenek Vrozina@ZdenekVrozina·
And if the biology is different, we should not assume the same diagnostics or the same treatments will work for both. Long COVID should have been studied from the beginning as a potentially distinct post-infectious syndrome, rather than primarily through the lens of ME/CFS.
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@thealepalombo Yes, I did. Was approx. 20 years ago.
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Alessandro Palombo@thealepalombo·
This is Naxos, Greece. Incredible beaches, prettier inland villages than many Cyclades islands, better food value. Have you been?
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Alejandro Gil Franco
Alejandro Gil Franco@Gilfrancoalejo·
@jota_snchez ¿Cómo funciona los países que no tienen Salario Mínimo oficial? ¿Cada empleador paga lo que quiera?
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Álvaro J@jota_snchez·
Salario mínimos en Europa 2026 [Bruto Mensual] 🥉 Los más bajos 🇭🇺 Hungría — 838€ 🇷🇴 Rumanía — 795€ 🇱🇻 Letonia — 780€ 🇧🇬 Bulgaria — 620€ 🥈 Intermedio 🇪🇸 España — 1.381€ 🇸🇮 Eslovenia — 1.278€ 🇵🇱 Polonia — 1.139€ 🇵🇹 Portugal — 1.073€ 🇬🇷 Grecia — 1.027€ 🥇 Top ↓↓
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@aledeniz For opera definitely. Vowels at the end of Italian words however can be a stylistic challenge for more modern music or particular genres.
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@drgurner I share that belief.
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Dr. Julie Gurner
Dr. Julie Gurner@drgurner·
@yvopitt No problem. I think that people should find professions and avenues that suit them, and that's where they thrive. We've not all the same, but if you have the ability to tailor what you do to how you function best - it's a real cheat code for insane progress.
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Mason@CardinalMason·
The literal #1 most suicidal belief you can have is that you’re an introvert/socially anxious/don’t like people. I was this guy until around 22. Thought I was better than everyone else and actively chose not to be social. Life completely changed when I started interacting with random people and just trying to make them laugh. Opportunities opened up, made relationships with people I never thought possible. Everything was just less dull and boring. Every day was fun for no reason. You cannot be a lone wolf. It’s a mental illness. Life is meaningless without people.
Goldie@dezgoldie

I believe in socializing basically 24/7. This has made me more money than anything else. High energy levels and constant social interaction.

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@drgurner Thx for the insight.
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Dr. Julie Gurner
Dr. Julie Gurner@drgurner·
@yvopitt I'm solidly an introvert and it suits me and what I do incredibly well. I love quiet spaces to think, reading research, 1:1 meetings, putting together frameworks and I would die a slow death at a noisy office or trying to do anything at a coffee shop. More power to those who can!
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@drgurner Absolutely. May I ask what you consider yourself? Answer only if you feel like it.
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Dr. Julie Gurner
Dr. Julie Gurner@drgurner·
@CardinalMason Being an introvert is different than thinking you are better than others. It's about what your nervous system finds energy from vs feeling drained by...it's not a judgment.
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@MiezeMiezi Auch Ärztinnen sind oftmals so…leider…
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Clumsy Girl
Clumsy Girl@MiezeMiezi·
Nein, Frauen erfahren keine minderwertige Behandlung durch (männliche) Ärzte. Ihnen wird stets geglaubt! 🫣
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Michael Stingl
Michael Stingl@neurostingl·
Müde wird man von den vielen schönen Worten ohne Handlungskonsequenz. Erschöpfend ist es, wenn sich Menschen mit ME/CFS ständig für ihre Erkrankung rechtfertigen müssen. Aber ME/CFS ist weder Müdigkeit noch Erschöpfung. Gerade am #MECFSAwarenessDay wichtig, daran zu erinnern.
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@thealepalombo Yes, it’s got character. Train very close to hotels and beach, that’s to be gotten used to. And very shallow water, it takes long till you can swim a bit. Otherwise, really beautiful and authentic atmosphere.
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Alessandro Palombo
Alessandro Palombo@thealepalombo·
This is Fano, Marche. Very underrated. The combination old town + beach is unmatched and relatively rare. You can spend the morning at the beach, walking in the afternoon to the fully intact medieval and Renaissance centro storico. For ancient Rome fans like me, Fano was a major Roman colony, you still have the Arch of Augustus from 9 AD standing as the city's symbol, plus remnants of the Roman walls. Marche region is overall one of the most underrated. Have you been?
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@thealepalombo Yes, however, I’m not so convinced about the water quality for swimming to be honest. Even if there are Blue Flag beaches. What’s your take?
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Alessandro Palombo@thealepalombo·
Ravenna is massively underrated. Dense with history (once capital of the Western Roman empire), 20 minutes from the coast, with great beaches. Dante's tomb is here. Incredible food. The Italian adriatic coast is overall very underrated. Have you been?
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