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@Buffering666
geopolitically curious foodie
Gulf Of America Entrou em Mart 2011
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Whether or not Iran or USA won, lost, or somewhere in the middle: TBD.
Europe unequivocally lost. NATO is toast.
*Walter Bloomberg@DeItaone
WHITE HOUSE: NATO WITHDRAWAL WILL BE DISCUSSED BY TRUMP WITH RUTTE
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@NegativeGW What version of a military operation whereby a hegemon pulls the rug on a key adversary’s top leadership & military industrial complex would you have supported?
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@humungus1939 Small handful of planes is a nothingburger. Missile stockpiles will be rebuilt and create American jobs/industrial activity.
If you earnestly think Iran was “no threat” before then you’re either a bot or retarded.
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@Buffering666 The ordinance/planes/THAAD we lost are much more valuable to us than anything we destroyed. Iran was no threat before, no threat now. Iran controls the strait and has its uranium. Alliances even more frayed. Strategic disaster. Massive loss
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Explain to me like I’m 5 years old how shredding Iran’s military industrial complex for 4 weeks & killing scores of senior leadership while exposing the regime as an untrustworthy band of pirates is a defeat for the USA.
Gregory Brew@gbrew24
If the war truly ends with Iran in possession of the strait of Hormuz--as is currently the case--and if negotiations proceed according to Iran's 10-points, which include full sanctions relief and Iran charging tolls for use of the strait, then the outcome of the war will be clear. And it won't be a US victory.
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The TDS mind is not ready for proceeds from the Strait of Hormuz JV to be airdropped into @TrumpAccounts
*Walter Bloomberg@DeItaone
TRUMP SAYS MAY BE JOINT US-IRAN VENTURE FOR HORMUZ TOLLS: ABC
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@CaptnBeefheart “Retard take” should be an option here.
American gas kept the lights on and people warm in Europe since 2022. Sounds like an untrustworthy pirate to you?
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@Buffering666 As a matter of fact the US showed they are, as you'd put it, "an untrustworthy band of pirates"
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@opusdeath I can agree with that.
My take is people who think Iran won/US lost and it’s that simple have lost the plot.
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@Buffering666 Taking out Iran's leadership is a tactical success and demonstration of US and Israeli power but it has failed to secure both nation's strategic aims.
We have seen both the devastating and awesome power that the US posseses and the limits of that power.
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@opusdeath Iran’s B-team rebuilding vs the recently departed A-team building is a clear & unequivocal win for the USA.
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@Buffering666 Iran will rebuild and do so more easily with the gains from sanction relief and tolls on Hormuz.
They have been pounded to dust, sure, but after all that they emerge with long term advantages that they didn't have before.
This is what strategic defeat looks like.
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@Buffering666 Drew you a picture, easiest way to explain to a child.
Jeremy Horpedahl 🥚📉@jmhorp
No movement yet
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@aaronmchow “a loss for both sides” is a more intellectually honest take than much of what I’m reading (even if I personally disagree with it)
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@Buffering666 Iran has been heavily battered, but there hasn't been regime change and it now has more effective control over the Strait of Hormuz.
That's a bad strategic result for the US. Maybe could be characterized as a loss for both sides, but not much better than that.
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@cleanandgritty @gbrew24 US industrial cycle go Brrr to rebuild missiles stockpiles
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@gbrew24 @Buffering666 Also we used years' worth of metal and pulled resources out of indopacom so China can go after Taiwan at their leisure lol
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@elligottmc Greg is reasonably smart but like every other influencer on social media he’s in the clicks business and TDS gets the clicks.
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@Buffering666 @gbrew24 We all know the Strait stayed closed and they couldn’t force it open. And we all saw the price of oil. You’re better off trying to cheerlead this admin on feeds other than those of geopolitical experts.
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@BeaverdaleCap My base case is Iran looks like Iraq 1991-2003. More bark than bite.
If the protest movement actually topples the regime, that’s 🍒 on the cake.
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@BeaverdaleCap No that was my response to Greg.
My argument is defeat does not look like wrecking one’s adversary’s military industrial complex and top leadership while exposing them as untrustworthy pirates.
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@HegedusAero @gbrew24 “Future protest movements will be repressed more harshly” does not resonate as an argument with me when, checks notes, the IRGC killed ~20,000 protestors *2 months prior* to Epic Fury.
Would the IRGC be kinder to future protest movements if this war never happened? 🤔
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@Buffering666 @gbrew24 You're the one that needed it explained to you like a five year old. 🤷♂️
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@ParticularPoopy @gbrew24 as long as Iran does not control the Gays we gucci
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@Buffering666 @gbrew24 Sure they’re weaker today but this war means they’ll be stronger in the long run. They’ll crack down harder in future protests and those protestors now know the West isn’t coming to save them. And Iran now maintains control over the Straight
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@elligottmc @gbrew24 Yeah, other than wrecking Iran’s military industrial complex, assassinating top leaders over and over again, and showing how useless Iran’s Made In China air defense systems are, the admin did basically nothing these past 3 weeks.
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@Buffering666 @gbrew24 It’s a massive L and the non-delusional have known this for ~3 weeks once it was clear the Iranians controlled Hormuz and there wasn’t a got dam thang this admin could do about it.
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@Buffering666 @gbrew24 The domestic protest movement now knows they are on their own.
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First Gulf War is the comp more people should be talking about.
GHW Bush brilliantly weakened Iraq which held for a decade, until his idiot failson decided to stir the pot in 2003.
Like 1991-2003 Saddam, the IRGC’ bark will be louder than their bite going forward.
Joe Weisenthal@TheStalwart
Excluding Covid, we're looking at the biggest one day plunge in oil since the first Gulf War in 1991
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@Buffering666 It is an enormous defeat for the US.
1. Iran is now the hegemon of the ME, not Israel
2. The OPEC monopoly is broken
3. All GCC bases are basically useless and their radars are destroyed
4. Iran basically controls world energy prices
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@IzzyDie Iran could not even recover the pilot of the one (1) jet they shot down over 4 weeks of intense bombing. Is that what you call “winning”? 🤡
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@Buffering666 US went from an in-principle agreement with Iran negotiated prior to Trump's war to now, a re-energised Iranian regime with an ongoing revenue source in CNY and knowledge fo how to attack the GCC states effectively. Iran defeated the USA in every sense of the word.
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