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Clinging to the phrase "a woman is anyone who identifies as a woman" is to tacitly admit that you can think of nothing that trans women share in common with natal females.

@v_tark @SianHerfield @AndrewLBC1 @raeallie01 @kangminlee @aliciaxlifeVT Your niece*

No, the logic suggests no such thing: you are projecting additional premises that no one else shares. Seemingly that "woman" is a referred to by "gender" but Hirstv only says that sex and "gender" are synonyms. A female cat and your believe are both female. "Woman" however, is not a sex, even if its meaning is derived from the female sex. Not all logical relationships are directly symmetrical, and the relationship between set and subset is one such asymmetry.

The fact there is a vtuber going viral for being transphobic and racist rn is crazy. They just quote retweeted this too. Girl for real said trans women aren’t women and also said fuck Indians?? So imma do the opposite and remind y’all that trans women are women. Other people’s genitals shouldn’t matter to you. Unless you’re interacting with them directly. Me being born with a pussy doesn’t make me suddenly more valid than a trans person. Also being brown is awesome. The bar is in hell for being a nice person.

@v_tark @SianHerfield @AndrewLBC1 @raeallie01 @kangminlee @aliciaxlifeVT This does not follow. You are assuming the existence of premises that Hirst does not affirm.

@SianHerfield @AndrewLBC1 @raeallie01 @kangminlee @aliciaxlifeVT But you said sex = gender, so anything with the sex female would be a woman by your logic. Not an "adult human female". That's contradictory. That's not what my Yale source says. Take a look, it describes the differences of sex vs gender. The terms are not interchangeable.

@v_tark @SianHerfield @AndrewLBC1 @raeallie01 @kangminlee @aliciaxlifeVT Why are you attempting to argue about something you clearly don't know anything about?

@SianHerfield @AndrewLBC1 @raeallie01 @kangminlee @aliciaxlifeVT Im inclined to believe that that is a different thing, since this specific condition is associated with females. Plus, De la Chappelle isn't listed as another name for this condition, which would be a really weird thing for a page created by the NIH to omit if it were the case.

@v_tark @SianHerfield @AndrewLBC1 @raeallie01 @kangminlee @aliciaxlifeVT No idea what you mean by "gender" for it to be the same is something else. It appears to be an entirely unnecessary term.

@SianHerfield @AndrewLBC1 @raeallie01 @kangminlee @aliciaxlifeVT I once again dont give a shit how theyre used "politely". This is a scientific discussion so Im going about it scientifically. Let me rephrase my prior question then: do you believe that sex and gender, in science, are the same thing?

@v_tark @SianHerfield @AndrewLBC1 @raeallie01 @kangminlee @aliciaxlifeVT Sure, what in god's name are you trying to say?

@SianHerfield @AndrewLBC1 @raeallie01 @kangminlee @aliciaxlifeVT I didnt say they were identifying as female. I said their identity aligns with their schema on the female sex. Do you want me to define schema?

@v_tark @SianHerfield @AndrewLBC1 @raeallie01 @kangminlee @aliciaxlifeVT The WHO disagrees with you. The WHO defines "gender" as something that applies to men and women, boys and girls, and thus must be something distinct.

@SianHerfield @AndrewLBC1 @raeallie01 @kangminlee @aliciaxlifeVT Let me restructure. Masculine and feminine are descriptors of people who exhibit traits of certain genders. They are not the genders themselves. The genders themselves are man, woman, boy, girl, non-binary, etc. Do you take issue with this?

@v_tark @SianHerfield @AndrewLBC1 @raeallie01 @kangminlee @aliciaxlifeVT What

@SianHerfield @AndrewLBC1 @raeallie01 @kangminlee @aliciaxlifeVT An adult person whose internal sense of self signs with their schema on the female sex.

@v_tark @redfollowsred @SianHerfield @AndrewLBC1 @raeallie01 @kangminlee @aliciaxlifeVT What were the scientific observations that lead to this conclusion, as shown here? What precisely is the science that "backs you up"?

@redfollowsred @SianHerfield @AndrewLBC1 @raeallie01 @kangminlee @aliciaxlifeVT I never said men were a type of woman. Also, science backs me up. If you knew what you were talking about you might have known that. Woman – Stanford Med Education share.google/04CNE8oP2KIaL5…

@missxlayy @CrunchAlias Obviously you will not answer because you are not a biologist or remotely informed

@missxlayy @CrunchAlias What was the empirical observation that informed this conclusion that "gender" exists, let alone develops in the embryo (or at any time), or for that matter cannot be changed?

If you think a gay man can become a straight woman, you believe in conversion therapy.

@ostrasyn @tatapansepatu @shamanspirit13 @RadFemme74 @richtofenlover @hasitcometothat @vanessa_blk @Biotransgurl @coolaunt2021 @FluffWingBirdie @ladyofcin_1 @BiardMacGuineas @cptmbf @MarsJaneM @SocialistSauce @huntcraw @Dorasalter @fletcherkathy8 @kittywoodoshea @bluebirdjam @brenda_archer @Stillweeping2 @Qyilldrisstessa @K60617909 @ghostoftoast @whackam0l3lol @Hereticalturf @EffinMaggie @TheGoldenMask5 @f3ck13ss @Catfan2506 @JLippy76 @VelvetLandmine @applecookedback @Lucifer_mortala @h_alliekat @latsot @0Tamahawk3 @StitchingSin @DerpyErika @KeirGale @GenderNeutralWC @JJAngie677204 @ffenics @BolyardLaura @AfterDeathTrut1 @GoodbyesToLight @89Batmobile89 @grok That is the point ergo wishes to make but fails to do so for the reasons articulated repeatedly, which you continuously fail to address.

@NoRedText @tatapansepatu @shamanspirit13 @RadFemme74 @richtofenlover @hasitcometothat @vanessa_blk @Biotransgurl @coolaunt2021 @FluffWingBirdie @ladyofcin_1 @BiardMacGuineas @cptmbf @MarsJaneM @SocialistSauce @uzidmanslefttit @huntcraw @Dorasalter @fletcherkathy8 @kittywoodoshea @bluebirdjam @brenda_archer @Stillweeping2 @Qyilldrisstessa @K60617909 @ghostoftoast @whackam0l3lol @Hereticalturf @EffinMaggie @TheGoldenMask5 @f3ck13ss @Catfan2506 @JLippy76 @VelvetLandmine @applecookedback @Lucifer_mortala @h_alliekat @latsot @0Tamahawk3 @StitchingSin @DerpyErika @KeirGale @GenderNeutralWC @JJAngie677204 @ffenics @BolyardLaura @AfterDeathTrut1 @GoodbyesToLight @89Batmobile89 @grok The whole point is that neither you nor Emma are applying the "general biological reasoning" you think you are.

@richtofenlover @RadFemme74 @vanessa_blk @Biotransgurl @coolaunt2021 @LegacyMediaFail @tatapansepatu @FluffWingBirdie @ladyofcin_1 @BiardMacGuineas @cptmbf @UglyManZoo @MarsJaneM @SocialistSauce @uzidmanslefttit @huntcraw @Dorasalter @fletcherkathy8 @kittywoodoshea @bluebirdjam @brenda_archer @Stillweeping2 @Qyilldrisstessa @K60617909 @ghostoftoast @whackam0l3lol @Hereticalturf @EffinMaggie @TheGoldenMask5 @f3ck13ss @Catfan2506 @JLippy76 @VelvetLandmine @applecookedback @Lucifer_mortala @h_alliekat @latsot @0Tamahawk3 @StitchingSin @DerpyErika @KeirGale @GenderNeutralWC @JJAngie677204 @ffenics @BolyardLaura @AfterDeathTrut1 @GoodbyesToLight @89Batmobile89 @grok @_Witch_of_Aeaea Males are not women.

@ostrasyn @tatapansepatu @shamanspirit13 @RadFemme74 @richtofenlover @hasitcometothat @vanessa_blk @Biotransgurl @coolaunt2021 @FluffWingBirdie @ladyofcin_1 @BiardMacGuineas @cptmbf @MarsJaneM @SocialistSauce @huntcraw @Dorasalter @fletcherkathy8 @kittywoodoshea @bluebirdjam @brenda_archer @Stillweeping2 @Qyilldrisstessa @K60617909 @ghostoftoast @whackam0l3lol @Hereticalturf @EffinMaggie @TheGoldenMask5 @f3ck13ss @Catfan2506 @JLippy76 @VelvetLandmine @applecookedback @Lucifer_mortala @h_alliekat @latsot @0Tamahawk3 @StitchingSin @DerpyErika @KeirGale @GenderNeutralWC @JJAngie677204 @ffenics @BolyardLaura @AfterDeathTrut1 @GoodbyesToLight @89Batmobile89 @ergo_praxis There is nothing normative involved. You continue to project nonsense because you think concretely.

@NoRedText @tatapansepatu @shamanspirit13 @RadFemme74 @richtofenlover @hasitcometothat @vanessa_blk @Biotransgurl @coolaunt2021 @FluffWingBirdie @ladyofcin_1 @BiardMacGuineas @cptmbf @MarsJaneM @SocialistSauce @uzidmanslefttit @huntcraw @Dorasalter @fletcherkathy8 @kittywoodoshea @bluebirdjam @brenda_archer @Stillweeping2 @Qyilldrisstessa @K60617909 @ghostoftoast @whackam0l3lol @Hereticalturf @EffinMaggie @TheGoldenMask5 @f3ck13ss @Catfan2506 @JLippy76 @VelvetLandmine @applecookedback @Lucifer_mortala @h_alliekat @latsot @0Tamahawk3 @StitchingSin @DerpyErika @KeirGale @GenderNeutralWC @JJAngie677204 @ffenics @BolyardLaura @AfterDeathTrut1 @GoodbyesToLight @89Batmobile89 @ergo_praxis You keep insisting that yours is "general biological reasoning." But that doesn't appear to be the case, unless you're including your normative demands as part of that reasoning. Which would make it strange then to call it "general biological reasoning."

@ostrasyn @tatapansepatu @shamanspirit13 @RadFemme74 @richtofenlover @hasitcometothat @vanessa_blk @Biotransgurl @coolaunt2021 @FluffWingBirdie @ladyofcin_1 @BiardMacGuineas @cptmbf @MarsJaneM @SocialistSauce @uzidmanslefttit @huntcraw @Dorasalter @fletcherkathy8 @kittywoodoshea @bluebirdjam @brenda_archer @Stillweeping2 @Qyilldrisstessa @K60617909 @ghostoftoast @whackam0l3lol @Hereticalturf @EffinMaggie @TheGoldenMask5 @f3ck13ss @Catfan2506 @JLippy76 @VelvetLandmine @applecookedback @Lucifer_mortala @h_alliekat @latsot @0Tamahawk3 @StitchingSin @DerpyErika @KeirGale @GenderNeutralWC @JJAngie677204 @ffenics @BolyardLaura @AfterDeathTrut1 @GoodbyesToLight @89Batmobile89 @ergo_praxis Nope. There is no such implication. You're just enamoured of your deconstruction and not able to consider anything else. Concrete thinking traps your ilk as ever.

@NoRedText @tatapansepatu @shamanspirit13 @RadFemme74 @richtofenlover @hasitcometothat @vanessa_blk @Biotransgurl @coolaunt2021 @FluffWingBirdie @ladyofcin_1 @BiardMacGuineas @cptmbf @MarsJaneM @SocialistSauce @uzidmanslefttit @huntcraw @Dorasalter @fletcherkathy8 @kittywoodoshea @bluebirdjam @brenda_archer @Stillweeping2 @Qyilldrisstessa @K60617909 @ghostoftoast @whackam0l3lol @Hereticalturf @EffinMaggie @TheGoldenMask5 @f3ck13ss @Catfan2506 @JLippy76 @VelvetLandmine @applecookedback @Lucifer_mortala @h_alliekat @latsot @0Tamahawk3 @StitchingSin @DerpyErika @KeirGale @GenderNeutralWC @JJAngie677204 @ffenics @BolyardLaura @AfterDeathTrut1 @GoodbyesToLight @89Batmobile89 @ergo_praxis It's also worth noting that "what the individual considers to be good" was something I touched on earlier: Although, the point there was that it's what you consider to be good, your normative demands, that are doing most of the work here (x.com/ostrasyn/statu…).

It is not incorrect. You simply are unable to avoid concrete thinking because as with all AGPs you are profoundly autistic. His DSD argument is given in service of his attempt to make a point about troons, but nevertheless, he proposes an alternative conception of DSDs. Literally he says something to the effect t of "a person may consider her testes to be the disorder" - testes, beibg a sexual development... and it being a putative disorder, it is therefore, ...what?

@NoRedText @tatapansepatu @shamanspirit13 @RadFemme74 @richtofenlover @hasitcometothat @vanessa_blk @Biotransgurl @coolaunt2021 @FluffWingBirdie @ladyofcin_1 @BiardMacGuineas @cptmbf @MarsJaneM @SocialistSauce @uzidmanslefttit @huntcraw @Dorasalter @fletcherkathy8 @kittywoodoshea @bluebirdjam @brenda_archer @Stillweeping2 @Qyilldrisstessa @K60617909 @ghostoftoast @whackam0l3lol @Hereticalturf @EffinMaggie @TheGoldenMask5 @f3ck13ss @Catfan2506 @JLippy76 @VelvetLandmine @applecookedback @Lucifer_mortala @h_alliekat @latsot @0Tamahawk3 @StitchingSin @DerpyErika @KeirGale @GenderNeutralWC @JJAngie677204 @ffenics @BolyardLaura @AfterDeathTrut1 @GoodbyesToLight @89Batmobile89 @grok This ( ) is incorrect. For the reasons laid out above. You are choosing to ignore the context, even after it's been made clear. I have no idea why.

Yes, that's ego's point, and he uses this point to propose a new conception of DSDs, as part of his argument - asserting that a person could consider their testes a disorder on that basis - this would be a DSD, literally a disorder as he puts it, if sexual development - with the implication this is as consistent, parsimonious et al as the general biological reasoning Hilton applies. It is, as noted, built on a false premise: DSDs and the general biological reasoning are not defined or performed in relation to what the individual considers good. This is the problem of deconstruction - it is an extended fallacy of equivocation in this case regarding the word "should".

@NoRedText @tatapansepatu @shamanspirit13 @RadFemme74 @richtofenlover @hasitcometothat @vanessa_blk @Biotransgurl @coolaunt2021 @FluffWingBirdie @ladyofcin_1 @BiardMacGuineas @cptmbf @MarsJaneM @SocialistSauce @uzidmanslefttit @huntcraw @Dorasalter @fletcherkathy8 @kittywoodoshea @bluebirdjam @brenda_archer @Stillweeping2 @Qyilldrisstessa @K60617909 @ghostoftoast @whackam0l3lol @Hereticalturf @EffinMaggie @TheGoldenMask5 @f3ck13ss @Catfan2506 @JLippy76 @VelvetLandmine @applecookedback @Lucifer_mortala @h_alliekat @latsot @0Tamahawk3 @StitchingSin @DerpyErika @KeirGale @GenderNeutralWC @JJAngie677204 @ffenics @BolyardLaura @AfterDeathTrut1 @GoodbyesToLight @89Batmobile89 @grok Their point was much more general: That you *need* an account of the person's good to make sense of the claims that you're making and that one could give an account that is at odds with the conclusions that yourself or Emma want to make.

@Babygravy9 It is not too late to ruin their lives. They each and every one need to be driven into misery, a lesson to whomever comes after that there are lines which you cannot even consider crossing.

Remember when the British government considered exterminating all pet cats during the early days of the COVID-19 pandemic?

@naosouumafruta @HeqaKhasutGirl @NataliePokeTCG @LeChoisi101 Why are you inventing things?

@NoRedText @HeqaKhasutGirl @NataliePokeTCG @LeChoisi101 She wasn’t above the testosterone limits anyway

@brenda_archer @ostrasyn @tatapansepatu @shamanspirit13 @RadFemme74 @richtofenlover @hasitcometothat @vanessa_blk @Biotransgurl @coolaunt2021 @FluffWingBirdie @ladyofcin_1 @BiardMacGuineas @cptmbf @MarsJaneM @SocialistSauce @uzidmanslefttit @huntcraw @Dorasalter @fletcherkathy8 @kittywoodoshea @bluebirdjam @Stillweeping2 @Qyilldrisstessa @K60617909 @ghostoftoast @whackam0l3lol @Hereticalturf @EffinMaggie @TheGoldenMask5 @f3ck13ss @Catfan2506 @JLippy76 @VelvetLandmine @applecookedback @Lucifer_mortala @h_alliekat @latsot @0Tamahawk3 @StitchingSin @DerpyErika @KeirGale @GenderNeutralWC @JJAngie677204 @ffenics @BolyardLaura @AfterDeathTrut1 @GoodbyesToLight @89Batmobile89 @grok Well, being both wrong and irrelevant certainly is an achievement.

@NoRedText @ostrasyn @tatapansepatu @shamanspirit13 @RadFemme74 @richtofenlover @hasitcometothat @vanessa_blk @Biotransgurl @coolaunt2021 @FluffWingBirdie @ladyofcin_1 @BiardMacGuineas @cptmbf @MarsJaneM @SocialistSauce @uzidmanslefttit @huntcraw @Dorasalter @fletcherkathy8 @kittywoodoshea @bluebirdjam @Stillweeping2 @Qyilldrisstessa @K60617909 @ghostoftoast @whackam0l3lol @Hereticalturf @EffinMaggie @TheGoldenMask5 @f3ck13ss @Catfan2506 @JLippy76 @VelvetLandmine @applecookedback @Lucifer_mortala @h_alliekat @latsot @0Tamahawk3 @StitchingSin @DerpyErika @KeirGale @GenderNeutralWC @JJAngie677204 @ffenics @BolyardLaura @AfterDeathTrut1 @GoodbyesToLight @89Batmobile89 @grok Under medical misogyny, DSDs are defined by how far they cause a female person to diverge from a sexist cultural role you refuse to acknowledge. The end result has been nonconsentual surgical normalization of children,that can cause lifetime damage. All your bullsht is normative.

@ostrasyn @tatapansepatu @shamanspirit13 @RadFemme74 @richtofenlover @hasitcometothat @vanessa_blk @Biotransgurl @coolaunt2021 @FluffWingBirdie @ladyofcin_1 @BiardMacGuineas @cptmbf @MarsJaneM @SocialistSauce @uzidmanslefttit @huntcraw @Dorasalter @fletcherkathy8 @kittywoodoshea @bluebirdjam @brenda_archer @Stillweeping2 @Qyilldrisstessa @K60617909 @ghostoftoast @whackam0l3lol @Hereticalturf @EffinMaggie @TheGoldenMask5 @f3ck13ss @Catfan2506 @JLippy76 @VelvetLandmine @applecookedback @Lucifer_mortala @h_alliekat @latsot @0Tamahawk3 @StitchingSin @DerpyErika @KeirGale @GenderNeutralWC @JJAngie677204 @ffenics @BolyardLaura @AfterDeathTrut1 @GoodbyesToLight @89Batmobile89 @grok That is the conclusion he wished to draw from his alternative conception of DSDs - that anything could be a disorder relative to what the individual considers to be good. You do not understand that which you cling to.

@NoRedText @tatapansepatu @shamanspirit13 @RadFemme74 @richtofenlover @hasitcometothat @vanessa_blk @Biotransgurl @coolaunt2021 @FluffWingBirdie @ladyofcin_1 @BiardMacGuineas @cptmbf @MarsJaneM @SocialistSauce @uzidmanslefttit @huntcraw @Dorasalter @fletcherkathy8 @kittywoodoshea @bluebirdjam @brenda_archer @Stillweeping2 @Qyilldrisstessa @K60617909 @ghostoftoast @whackam0l3lol @Hereticalturf @EffinMaggie @TheGoldenMask5 @f3ck13ss @Catfan2506 @JLippy76 @VelvetLandmine @applecookedback @Lucifer_mortala @h_alliekat @latsot @0Tamahawk3 @StitchingSin @DerpyErika @KeirGale @GenderNeutralWC @JJAngie677204 @ffenics @BolyardLaura @AfterDeathTrut1 @GoodbyesToLight @89Batmobile89 @grok That's not a separate point. The thread was about trans folk. That the discussion can have broader implications does not mean that that ceases to be the case. web.archive.org/web/2022011905…