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Jacosta
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Jacosta
@TrueChristian00
Bible Student 📖💎 | Servant of Jehovah | יהוה | Disciple of Jesus | Truth over Tradition | Daily Bible Insight
Присоединился Haziran 2023
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@ZealotesChristi @CertainSpeaks You have 3rd grade level reading comprehension
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Matthew 28:19 is one of the most abused texts in Trinitarian apologetics.
They say “baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son, and holy spirit” teaches the Trinity because they share a literal name...
But Jesus already wrecked that reading:
In Matthew 10:41 KJV, he says:
“He that receives a prophet in the NAME of a prophet shall receive a prophet’s reward… he that receives a righteous man in the NAME of a righteous man will receive... reward"
Obviously that does not mean the prophet’s / righteous man’s literal NAME.
In Jesus day, "in the name of" was a well known Greek idiom meaning "recognition of the office."
"Name" here means recognition of office, role, standing, and authority.
Because Jesus himself uses “in the name of” in a way, means that his use in Matthew 28:19 has nothing to do with shared identity.
When Matthew 28:19 says to baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and holy spirit, the point is recognition of what each represents in God’s arrangement:
• "The Father, Jehovah God, is natural, since he is our Creator and Life-Giver."
• The role of the Son as the Christ and means of Salvation in God’s purpose.
• "The role of God’s holy spirit because, among other things, God uses his active force to give life (Job 33:4), to inspire his message to humans (2Pe 1:21), and to EMPOWER them to do his will (Ro 15:19)."
So Matthew 28:19 is not only proof that a triune god is non-existent in Scripture...
But It is proof that Trinitarians keep reading their doctrine into verses that do not teach it.
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@AutisticClip Great he should be a JW after reading John 17:3.
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@RevesJM @CertainSpeaks They continued the work. Dont get your panties in a bunch
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Yes, they were.
Did not Pastor CT Russell and his associates call themselves Bible Students?
And did not JF Rutherford deem that those adherents of the Watchtower Society in 1931 would prefer to be called Jehovah’s Witnesses to distinguish themselves from the Bible Students who did not adhere to the Watchtower Society under his leadership?
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@kaizen000000000 He’s actually making solid points.. and that because Jesus is not God.
He goes on to say the story is fiction but the lesson is actually that Jesus is God’s son and that why 1. He could be tempted at all (you cannot tempt god) and 2. Why he was tempted with power.
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@jdogmac117830 @AleMartnezR1 Jehovah's Witnesses are pretty cool.
I had Bible study with them many years ago, thought they were lovely.
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Does he live in a cave, or on an isolated island in the midst of the Pacific?
"There are fewer and fewer religious people capable of formulating a response to atheism".
David Cuesta@david_cuest4
Tenía un profesor de antropología filosófica en el seminario (ok, vale, ya sé lo que me dirán) que a este tipo de ateos los llamaba "mis amigos, los ateos", para diferenciarlos de la purria. Cada vez hay menos religiosos capaces de elaborar una respuesta al ateismo.
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@jew_jacob2005 You may think you know the creation. You cannot truly know the creation unless you know the creator.
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@TrueChristian00 You never get to know the creator u only know the creation instead, which is why in the West led to secular ideology and eventually nihilism, since the knowledge about God becomes useless
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@jew_jacob2005 One cannot truly understand created effects without knowing the one whom created those effects
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No dumbass its actually the problem of divine interaction and direct knowledge at all, which leads to only knowing created effects, which leads to unknowable God and atheism
Jacosta@TrueChristian00
@jew_jacob2005 @CertainSpeaks Cognitive dissonance isn’t an argument
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@jew_jacob2005 @CertainSpeaks By that statement, you just posited that God is necessary
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@CertainSpeaks @TrueChristian00 Again, direct knowledge of God isnt necessary because creatures act on his behalf. God becomes useless
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If you didn’t already know...
You need to understand that there are different “Jesus Christs” to choose from.
Each denomination professes to follow Jesus, but preach a very different “Jesus” altogether.
This is not a small matter.
If the Jesus you trust in is not the real one, then using the right name does not save you from believing the wrong person.
Here are the religions with global followings and the "Jesus" that they believe in:
Catholics & Orthodox:
-Claim that Jesus is literally God because of being a person of the Trinity... theryby having the same eternal "essence" of the Father & Spirit.
Mormon Jesus:
-Claims Jesus is Jehovah and not the same being as the Father, but a separate divine person/member of the Godhead, united with the Father and Holy Ghost.
Jehovah’s Witnesse's Jesus:
-Claims Jesus is God's Son and not a person of the Trinity, and therfore has his own unique being, subordinate to his Father Jehovah God.
If we are to use just the Bible.. not later councils, creeds, or philosophical jargon, then the Jehovah’s Witnesse view is plainly the correct Jesus rather than the Catholic/Orthodox one:
Scripture shows Jesus as distinct from God, sent by God, empowered by God, given authority by God, and subject to God.
That is not a co-equal person of a triune essence.
That is God’s divine Son under Almighty God.
Trinitarianism takes the one constantly distinguished from God and then says he is the same God.
That is not biblical precision.
That is theological absurdity...
Mormonism (LDS) misses it too:
It claims Jesus is Jehovah, yet not the same being as the Father, because its Godhead is three separate beings united in purpose.
So Trinitarianism confuses Jesus with the God he serves...
and Mormonism misidentifies Jesus altogether.
One collapses the distinction.
The other corrupts the identity.
But the Bible’s picture is simpler:
One Almighty God, the Father,
and one Lord Jesus Christ, His Son.

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@jew_jacob2005 @CertainSpeaks Cognitive dissonance isn’t an argument
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@CertainSpeaks @TrueChristian00 Doesnt matter since God has no role in salvation, created things do
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@jew_jacob2005 @CertainSpeaks What a terrible strawman
The name “Jesus” itself points to Jehovah as the source of salvation.
Yeho-shua
Yeho(vah)-saves
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@CertainSpeaks Again Jesus is a man like you or me. If he can save us through his death and resurrection, Jehovah is ultimately useless since we dont need him but other creatures
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