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@OborneTweets Why should our politicians be under an obligation to bow to Islam ?
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Peter Oborne@OborneTweets·
MEE reports that after endorsing Nick Timothy's attack on British Muslims, Kemi Badenoch seems not to have sent out a message marking Eid al-Fitr. Leaders of other main parties, apart from Reform, all did so. Badenoch HAS marked Hanukkah and Diwali. middleeasteye.net/news/conservat…
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@speakoutsister Muslim conversion doesn't quite work the same way as Christianity, as I'm sure you know.
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SpeakOutSister@speakoutsister·
I have never in my life had a Muslim try to convert me. Loads of Christians though, pointless as I'm already culturally Christian having been baptised and knowing enough about the Bible to argue with them.
Danny Kruger@danny__kruger

Nick Timothy and Nigel Farage are right, and Sadiq Khan and Keir Starmer are wrong. Small groups of people, of whatever religion, praying in public places is fine. And as a Christian country we should allow a special privilege for churches to lead services in our national spaces, like the Palm Sunday celebration that happens in Trafalgar Square. What we don't want is mass ritual observances intended to claim the civic realm for another religion, or assert the domination of another culture over our own Christian traditions. What happens in our national spaces is not neutral. People use Trafalgar Square, for celebrations and demonstrations, to make a point about the kind of country they want us to be. The Palm Sunday pageant reminds us of who we are - not as individuals (many or most of us don't identify as Christians at all) but as a national community, with the roots of our institutions in the ground of the Bible and our most solemn communal moments, from coronations to funerals, mediated through the liturgies of the Church. A mass Adhan held there, or in any town square, is making a different point: that Britain is not a Christian country, and that - inshallah - one day it shall be Muslim. This is unacceptable to the British public and indeed incompatible with our constitution. As ever with these debates, the issue is partly one of kind and partly one of degree. There is an issue with Islam itself as a religion which in most interpretations does not admit of pluralism or freedom of conscience, and therefore is inherently aggrandising, including over territory. But with a bit of confidence and a bit of toleration we could handle that - if it were not for the issue of degree. It is the scale of Islam in Britain, and the ambition of its leaders for greater scale, that makes the problem. The numbers of people who assembled for the adhan in Trafalgar Square, clearly and openly claiming the territory for a faith with no connection (indeed, with strong doctrinal disagreement) with the model of Western liberal democracy that Britain has developed and exported to the world - that is the problem. The numbers, whether everyone there understood it this way or not (and I suspect many did), convey an explicit threat to the foundations of our country. Being relaxed about other people's religion is a good thing, a very British thing. I don't mind modern druids dancing around Stonehenge in my constituency (arguably, though the historicity is tenuous, they have a claim to the place). I don't mind small groups of Hindus or Buddhists or Muslims demonstrating the reality of Britain's religious toleration by worshiping in Trafalgar Square. But let's not kid ourselves about this adhan, or pretend that we're just seeing another harmless expression of Britain's religious diversity. We are seeing an abuse of liberalism, led by people who are not themselves liberal; or - let us imagine they are acting in good faith - who are themselves deceived about what they are doing. It should not happen again. And it would be good to hear the Church of England say so.

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unreal@dreckweb·
@DPJHodges What is "intellectually bankrupt" is the failure to grasp the fundamental principle of a secular, liberal society: your freedom to swing your fist ends at my nose. The freedom of any religion ends where said religion - Islam - is on a mission to destroy everyone who will not obey
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(((Dan Hodges)))@DPJHodges·
This isn't just bigoted. It's also intellectually bankrupt. Kruger is literally saying Christians should have rights of worship not afforded to followers of other faiths. Then claims for followers of those faiths to ask for equity is an act of "dominance".
Danny Kruger@danny__kruger

Nick Timothy and Nigel Farage are right, and Sadiq Khan and Keir Starmer are wrong. Small groups of people, of whatever religion, praying in public places is fine. And as a Christian country we should allow a special privilege for churches to lead services in our national spaces, like the Palm Sunday celebration that happens in Trafalgar Square. What we don't want is mass ritual observances intended to claim the civic realm for another religion, or assert the domination of another culture over our own Christian traditions. What happens in our national spaces is not neutral. People use Trafalgar Square, for celebrations and demonstrations, to make a point about the kind of country they want us to be. The Palm Sunday pageant reminds us of who we are - not as individuals (many or most of us don't identify as Christians at all) but as a national community, with the roots of our institutions in the ground of the Bible and our most solemn communal moments, from coronations to funerals, mediated through the liturgies of the Church. A mass Adhan held there, or in any town square, is making a different point: that Britain is not a Christian country, and that - inshallah - one day it shall be Muslim. This is unacceptable to the British public and indeed incompatible with our constitution. As ever with these debates, the issue is partly one of kind and partly one of degree. There is an issue with Islam itself as a religion which in most interpretations does not admit of pluralism or freedom of conscience, and therefore is inherently aggrandising, including over territory. But with a bit of confidence and a bit of toleration we could handle that - if it were not for the issue of degree. It is the scale of Islam in Britain, and the ambition of its leaders for greater scale, that makes the problem. The numbers of people who assembled for the adhan in Trafalgar Square, clearly and openly claiming the territory for a faith with no connection (indeed, with strong doctrinal disagreement) with the model of Western liberal democracy that Britain has developed and exported to the world - that is the problem. The numbers, whether everyone there understood it this way or not (and I suspect many did), convey an explicit threat to the foundations of our country. Being relaxed about other people's religion is a good thing, a very British thing. I don't mind modern druids dancing around Stonehenge in my constituency (arguably, though the historicity is tenuous, they have a claim to the place). I don't mind small groups of Hindus or Buddhists or Muslims demonstrating the reality of Britain's religious toleration by worshiping in Trafalgar Square. But let's not kid ourselves about this adhan, or pretend that we're just seeing another harmless expression of Britain's religious diversity. We are seeing an abuse of liberalism, led by people who are not themselves liberal; or - let us imagine they are acting in good faith - who are themselves deceived about what they are doing. It should not happen again. And it would be good to hear the Church of England say so.

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unreal@dreckweb·
@ClementiaFanda1 @zatzi It's to decriminalise women who have late miscarriages, late discovery of severe abnormalities etc - as you wld all know if you did some research instead of falling for the insane, misogynistic fantasy that women are lining up to go through a full pregnancy just to "kill babies"
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unreal@dreckweb·
@RoyalFamily Why are you supporting gang-rapists, Jew-haters, woman-haters, democracy-haters ?
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unreal@dreckweb·
You know what would be nice ... if the "ordinary peaceful Muslims" could start speaking out about all the violence done in their name. Maybe show some support for the victims of Muslim gang rapists, and the Batley teacher driven into hiding by Muslim death threats, for a start ..
Ayesha Hazarika@ayeshahazarika

Happy Eid to all Muslims celebrating. It’s an especially difficult time for ordinary peaceful Muslims right now who are vilified & attacked in a way which is highly divisive. I pay tribute to the many allies who see what’s happening & call it out especially the @JewishNewsUK 🙏🏽

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unreal@dreckweb·
@SymonHill Islam is a belief system that has conquest, violation and elimination of all others baked into its core. Your Muslim friends support the aims - it is what Islam teaches - even if it's not in their immediate interests to be honest with you right now.
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Symon Hill@SymonHill·
@dreckweb I don't understand what you mean by "Islam wants". If you mean what Muslims want, then Muslims are as varied as any other group of people. The vast majority do not want capitulation. My Muslim friends, neighbours, colleagues and students have never demanded my capitulation!
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Symon Hill@SymonHill·
As a #Baptist, I am proud that Baptists championed freedom of religion for all, including Muslims, 400 years ago. As a Brit, I'm proud to live somewhere known for religious liberty. I am disgusted with #Farage & Tories stirring up hatred over Muslims praying in #TrafalgarSquare.
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unreal@dreckweb·
@donmcgowan Why ? Are those other religions sheltering gang-rapists, blowing up buses, sending teachers into hiding, threatening to kill the unbelievers and marrying their daughters off to inbred male relatives to live the rest of their lives as sub human servants ?
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Higgy@higgyboson·
Why are muslims so insecure as a group that they DEMAND specific rules, laws and clauses to protect them and their ideology from being criticised or ridiculed? Why are they so sensitive that they need to be shielded from opinions they don't like? Why are they so fragile that they need to threaten others with violence for "disrespecting" their prophet. Why are so many of them so deranged that they have been known to drive cars through shoppers at Christmas markets, blow up children at a pop concert or chop off the heads of people as a demonstration of how "peaceful" their religion is? Why do they EXPECT to be allowed to marry their own cousins and have several wives in several different households claiming several separate amounts of welfare benefits? Why do they treat women and girls as 2nd class citizens by telling them to wear specific clothing, use separate doors to enter their places of worship and ban them from participating in their own "community" events such as the local mosque fun run? Why do politicians continually pander to their needs, whims and egos despite all of the above? Why do just 6.5% of the population cause so much trouble?
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unreal@dreckweb·
@FraserNelson Oh, and in Europe the majority of attacks on Jews are by ... Muslims (not the far right at all)
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Fraser Nelson@FraserNelson·
"A number of voices in the US right were railing against Muslims a few years ago. Now they target Jews. Uphold religious rights for all: you’ll never know when you’ll be glad that you did." Jewish News in defence of the Trafalgar Sq iftar:-jewishnews.co.uk/voice-of-the-j…
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unreal@dreckweb·
@FraserNelson You are missing the point that in a secular democracy the right to practice anything at all ends when it harms others - and the practice of Islam is harmful, by definition, by their own stated aims, to democracy. Lighting Menorahs is not = to the havoc being wreaked by Islam.
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unreal@dreckweb·
@g_gosden That's because it's not you that's the target for rape and battery, a life stripped of education and freedom, and as a barely human servant to some rancid, inbred male relative.
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unreal@dreckweb·
@MatthewStadlen I'm prejudiced against backward, violent, woman-hating, gang rapists. Why aren't you ?
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Matthew Stadlen@MatthewStadlen·
Being prejudiced against people because of their race or religion must both be exhausting and also eat you up inside. Apart from anything else it’s an utterly futile preoccupation. It doesn’t get you anywhere. Just embitters you and jaundices your view of the world.
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@stellacreasy When the stated aim and practice of a religion is to destroy everything that isn't in line with their totalitarian, woman-hating theocracy, then it should be hated.
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stellacreasy@stellacreasy·
They are saying the quiet parts out loud now. They want you to hate women for not having enough babies. For daring to want to lead equal lives. They want you to hate someone who holds a different religion to you. For daring to practice it and pray. They want you to hate someone for disagreeing with them. For not sharing their values and standing up to them. They want you to hate. Its the currency of their world. Don't let it be the currency of yours.
Danny Kruger@danny__kruger

Nick Timothy and Nigel Farage are right, and Sadiq Khan and Keir Starmer are wrong. Small groups of people, of whatever religion, praying in public places is fine. And as a Christian country we should allow a special privilege for churches to lead services in our national spaces, like the Palm Sunday celebration that happens in Trafalgar Square. What we don't want is mass ritual observances intended to claim the civic realm for another religion, or assert the domination of another culture over our own Christian traditions. What happens in our national spaces is not neutral. People use Trafalgar Square, for celebrations and demonstrations, to make a point about the kind of country they want us to be. The Palm Sunday pageant reminds us of who we are - not as individuals (many or most of us don't identify as Christians at all) but as a national community, with the roots of our institutions in the ground of the Bible and our most solemn communal moments, from coronations to funerals, mediated through the liturgies of the Church. A mass Adhan held there, or in any town square, is making a different point: that Britain is not a Christian country, and that - inshallah - one day it shall be Muslim. This is unacceptable to the British public and indeed incompatible with our constitution. As ever with these debates, the issue is partly one of kind and partly one of degree. There is an issue with Islam itself as a religion which in most interpretations does not admit of pluralism or freedom of conscience, and therefore is inherently aggrandising, including over territory. But with a bit of confidence and a bit of toleration we could handle that - if it were not for the issue of degree. It is the scale of Islam in Britain, and the ambition of its leaders for greater scale, that makes the problem. The numbers of people who assembled for the adhan in Trafalgar Square, clearly and openly claiming the territory for a faith with no connection (indeed, with strong doctrinal disagreement) with the model of Western liberal democracy that Britain has developed and exported to the world - that is the problem. The numbers, whether everyone there understood it this way or not (and I suspect many did), convey an explicit threat to the foundations of our country. Being relaxed about other people's religion is a good thing, a very British thing. I don't mind modern druids dancing around Stonehenge in my constituency (arguably, though the historicity is tenuous, they have a claim to the place). I don't mind small groups of Hindus or Buddhists or Muslims demonstrating the reality of Britain's religious toleration by worshiping in Trafalgar Square. But let's not kid ourselves about this adhan, or pretend that we're just seeing another harmless expression of Britain's religious diversity. We are seeing an abuse of liberalism, led by people who are not themselves liberal; or - let us imagine they are acting in good faith - who are themselves deceived about what they are doing. It should not happen again. And it would be good to hear the Church of England say so.

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unreal@dreckweb·
@soniasodha No, it misses the point that in a secular democracy the right to practice anything at all ends when it harms others - and the practice of Islam is harmful, by definition, by their own stated aims, to democracy. Lighting Menorahs is not = to the havoc being wreaked by Islam.
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unreal@dreckweb·
@BobBorsley @DAaronovitch Dunno mate, are they sheltering gang-rapists, blowing up buses, sending teachers into hiding, threatening to kill the unbelievers and marrying their daughters off to inbred male relatives to live the rest of their lives as sub human servants ?
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David Aaronovitch@DAaronovitch·
There is an irony here. The very liberalism that allows Muslims (and Sikhs and Hindus) to express their faith in public, is what allows Christians like Kruger to do the same. Some illiberal regimes might blow up his churches and put his priests in the Gulag.
Danny Kruger@danny__kruger

Nick Timothy and Nigel Farage are right, and Sadiq Khan and Keir Starmer are wrong. Small groups of people, of whatever religion, praying in public places is fine. And as a Christian country we should allow a special privilege for churches to lead services in our national spaces, like the Palm Sunday celebration that happens in Trafalgar Square. What we don't want is mass ritual observances intended to claim the civic realm for another religion, or assert the domination of another culture over our own Christian traditions. What happens in our national spaces is not neutral. People use Trafalgar Square, for celebrations and demonstrations, to make a point about the kind of country they want us to be. The Palm Sunday pageant reminds us of who we are - not as individuals (many or most of us don't identify as Christians at all) but as a national community, with the roots of our institutions in the ground of the Bible and our most solemn communal moments, from coronations to funerals, mediated through the liturgies of the Church. A mass Adhan held there, or in any town square, is making a different point: that Britain is not a Christian country, and that - inshallah - one day it shall be Muslim. This is unacceptable to the British public and indeed incompatible with our constitution. As ever with these debates, the issue is partly one of kind and partly one of degree. There is an issue with Islam itself as a religion which in most interpretations does not admit of pluralism or freedom of conscience, and therefore is inherently aggrandising, including over territory. But with a bit of confidence and a bit of toleration we could handle that - if it were not for the issue of degree. It is the scale of Islam in Britain, and the ambition of its leaders for greater scale, that makes the problem. The numbers of people who assembled for the adhan in Trafalgar Square, clearly and openly claiming the territory for a faith with no connection (indeed, with strong doctrinal disagreement) with the model of Western liberal democracy that Britain has developed and exported to the world - that is the problem. The numbers, whether everyone there understood it this way or not (and I suspect many did), convey an explicit threat to the foundations of our country. Being relaxed about other people's religion is a good thing, a very British thing. I don't mind modern druids dancing around Stonehenge in my constituency (arguably, though the historicity is tenuous, they have a claim to the place). I don't mind small groups of Hindus or Buddhists or Muslims demonstrating the reality of Britain's religious toleration by worshiping in Trafalgar Square. But let's not kid ourselves about this adhan, or pretend that we're just seeing another harmless expression of Britain's religious diversity. We are seeing an abuse of liberalism, led by people who are not themselves liberal; or - let us imagine they are acting in good faith - who are themselves deceived about what they are doing. It should not happen again. And it would be good to hear the Church of England say so.

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@DAaronovitch It's not an irony - and people need to grasp the basic principle that the "freedom" to impost a totalitarian theocracy is not actually liberalism at all ... the freedom to swing your fist, and all that.
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