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@Comrade_Del Your excuse of her supposedly not throwing him under the bus is "well, she couldnt do anything else" Thats a weak ass defense, there was plenty of things she could've done. She did the most cowardly one.

@somethingguy912 Did you... even read the whole thing I wrote? It's like you're seeing words but rearrange them into what you want to see lmao

Oh my! Look at that! I wonder how many people who were bashing on Sinder for dating her manager are going to do the same with Lily, hmmmmmmm??? All those people ARE going to criticize her for it, riiiiight? Lily ain't going to do it herself after all since the levels of hypocricy have already overflown and spilled over lol Also at this point the whole 'Manager is just a PR name for boyfriend' thing is just straight up fact at this point. Also manager should probably check his phone for a keylogger...

@Comrade_Del @PaulAnseaume Yeah and you run your mouth because ultimately we are both speculating, but you certainly wanna act like you got an authority to state yours as fact.

@somethingguy912 @PaulAnseaume If you say so

@Comrade_Del @PaulAnseaume No, doubt that. Again, he was expendable for her during the drama. My guess he had way too much stake in her brand that she couldnt get rid of him as much as shed like. A mutually self assured, parasitic relationship mutated.

@Comrade_Del So her 'best' response was to kick her boyfriend to the curb like a sack of rocks because she thought people were dumb enough to believe she didnt know what he was doing for her? Are you for real? You're not doing Sinder any favors by saying that she's a fucking snake.

Really looking at it... she didn't really throw him under the bus? Consideirng what he was accused of doing, yeah, she certainly didn't know about it... mostly because most of the accusations never even happened in the first place. You can call it throwing him under the bus but in that moment... what the fuck was she supposed to say? Say she's guilty of things that never happened?

@konamirugu @Comrade_Del In other words, "im too cowardly to engage in conversation otherwise it might expose me as a sweeper"

@somethingguy912 @Comrade_Del I'm going to leave this conversation. I don't see any benefit of continuing this topic other than satisfying one's ego of winning an argument about a vague topic full of what ifs and assumptions. Good bye.

@konamirugu @Comrade_Del Im sorry, who told sinder to throw her boyfriend under the bus when the drama unfolded? Is she her own person or not? That is her clearly not having much care for him regardless how you feel about the validity of the dramas.

@somethingguy912 @Comrade_Del It seems that you are not well informed regarding what happened and inserted your own head canon to fit the narrative you want to believe about the part with the least amount of receipt. We're in this situation because the artist was not to be trusted with private business deal.

@PaulAnseaume @Comrade_Del @konamirugu She had enough of a issue that she initially wad going to dump him.but decided not because.... She fucked up to lump blame solely on him?

@somethingguy912 @Comrade_Del @konamirugu Well, I think if Sinder's had trust issues with Red, then she absolutely WOULD be snooping around every message he sent...

@Comrade_Del @konamirugu His gossip extended to him lumping sinder in the mix as though it was a belief she shared. Which she...hilariously did say she had those thoughts but only a part of them, mudding the waters of what was/wasnt a concept of hers.

Yeah... and he got her to be one of the top indie Vtubers to the point where Shylily felt threatened by her. Yeah, he was definitely doing a bad job, right? Again, people are incapable of looking at what he did objectively. All he did was gossip with another gossiper when he should've told her to stfu and either work or move on. Considering literally EVERYONE is trying to get exclusive model makers and editors... that shit is par for the course and both Bao and Lily did that too. Again, what did he really do that was so heinous? Having... GASP! Opinions about other Vtubers that his gf works with?! Not opinions! OH THE HORROR! His only grave mistake was voicing said opinions to an unprofessional gossip who couldn't even do the one job she had.

@Comrade_Del @PaulAnseaume @konamirugu Also do remember that Sinder in her original response said that Red would not be involved in anything with her in future, only for him to be more involved despite her prior claim.

@Comrade_Del @PaulAnseaume @konamirugu Them being together makes it even more suspicious. Bro got thrown under the bus and he still stuck with her? Hes either a massive simp or he had too much of Sinders identity that she could ditch him entirely.

@konamirugu @Comrade_Del "They trust each other enough to know what's best for the brand" Apparently not if we're in the situation we're in because they clearly did not trust the words that would come out the others mouth.

@somethingguy912 @Comrade_Del Not ignorance, trust. Red was the business side of the brand while Hellhound was the public face of the brand. They're partners, not boss and employee. They trust each other to do what's best for the brand. You're arguing based on ideals, not reality.

@PaulAnseaume @Comrade_Del @konamirugu If sinder had trust issues with RED that she couldnt bear to look at his messages, perhaps its not a good idea to relinquish your responsibility to him.

@somethingguy912 @Comrade_Del @konamirugu Not all the time thought, sometimes you can have a lack of trust/trust issues, maybe from a previous relationship, which honestly is still projection...

@konamirugu @Comrade_Del Relationships are built out of ignorance by your logic? Does that make Sindet vindicated that she wants to pretend she 'didn't' know? That's...an interesting angle. Also, nothing of this Shylily clip gives me a parallel of the sinder stuff, not yet anyhow.

@somethingguy912 @Comrade_Del I don't know if you ever have a relationship before, but people in relationship aren't that perfect single minded entity. I'm not going to argue about the what ifs in someone's relationship that I know little about. I understand where you stand now.

@PaulAnseaume @Comrade_Del @konamirugu I think its reasonable to be scoping what your BF is saying if they are managing your brand, and saying things on behalf of you, but I guess thats too much to ask. Guess we should treat women with oven mitts by your logic, then.

@somethingguy912 @Comrade_Del @konamirugu If you're so distrustful of your own SO that you have to look at every single text or DM that they send to other people, you're more than likely paranoïd that they're cheating on you. And if so, that's more than likely projection, and you're cheating on them.

@Comrade_Del @konamirugu what if your boyfriend was also your manager? What if said manager was saying, doing things on your behalf because of him 'managing' your business? Does it concern Sinder now or do we go with the bigotry of low expectations for women when convenient?

@somethingguy912 @konamirugu Yes. Sinder pretty much said in her own doc exactly what she was aware of and what she wasn't. The whole "Boyfriend and girlfriend should know absolutely everything they do" is literally a delusional myth.

Hazbin Stans when they hear the call:

@konamirugu @Comrade_Del Do you hear yourself right now? 'Sinder couldn't have done that, she was too ignorant of what her OWN BOYFRIEND was doing on her behalf'

@somethingguy912 @Comrade_Del Which were true...? It's not really blaming, the girls just used the manager's dm to blame her for his doing. There's literally no proof that anything was her doing, only assumptions. The dating part was used to justify that assumptions and support the false allegations.

@Kebble_n_Bits @Comrade_Del plenty of people were clowning on Sinder for trying to act like she didn't know what Redacted was up to, and even if she wasn't, says a lot about her relationship with Redacted as a whole.

@somethingguy912 @Comrade_Del I think, lily was calling her a cheater for what happened during sinder's ASMR days and saying "of course she knows what her boyfriend is doing at all times." But i dont recall lily complaining about sinder dating red. Could be wrong though! Its been a bit.

@konamirugu @Comrade_Del Well her initial response didn't bode well and was 'blame it on my boyfriend, I'm too stupid to take responsibility' before her next response was more 'ok, I take some responsibility...but my boyfriend is still to blame'

@somethingguy912 @Comrade_Del What do you suggest she do then? If she knew for a fact she did not know anything being accused, and all of the receipts are the manager.

@Felted_Imp "I was fine with Kino Casino dunking on me and my husband, but the CSAM stuff is where I DRAW THE LINE!" Wow, how noble, how principled. Dare I say, STUNNING AND BRAVE of her!

So we are just saying anything now, huh? From fed posting right into the pedo accusations. Very cool.