Maybe ironically I think this is what holds Elixir back as a language. Because you're so productive, engineering teams are smaller and there are fewer jobs. Entrepreneurship/new companies is the limiting factor to Elixir growth

@thmsmlr I think a lot of it is unfortunately down to tooling - relatively slow build tool on bigger projects, no decent debugger, buggy IDE experience, etc. People are used to shiny things from other ecosystems and expect similar level of support

@josevalim @michalmuskala @thmsmlr What is holding elixir back is that it is sexy mostly for senior engineers. I see tons of technical discussions but no narrative that can be convincing business wise. RoR shortened time to market. JS turns devs into a commodity. What is elixir’s value proposition for *business*?

@josevalim @mspanc @michalmuskala @thmsmlr If Phoenix and Ecto provided similar levels of convenience when it comes to doing simple stuff, I'd say a lot of people would turn to Elixir. It's what made people love Ruby & Rails back in the day. Elixir is *in a great position* to not only repeat that, but also do it better 🙂

@solnic29a @josevalim @michalmuskala @thmsmlr It already does many things better than RoR in terms of MVC framework, but times are different. RoR was competing with ancient PHP. There was no cloud, no lambdas, no advanced frontend frameworks. It’s not enough today to differentiate.