AnotherGroyp

@habahurhahu @27gunfighterz @UncleTonyPerk @realspeckzo The Messiah came and you missed Him. That's why your sacrifices no longer worked for 40 years after Jesus' death and before the destruction of the temple. It's the only narrative that fits - yours condemns you to hell.

@AnotherGroyp @27gunfighterz @UncleTonyPerk @realspeckzo Maybe. Allot of Jewish sources believe there can never be true atonement without the temple that's why we pray and look forward to the messiah every day

The Talmud basically says “yeah nothing supernatural in our religion worked anymore after Jesus died for some reason” and then Jews still deny Christ’s divinity.

@UncleTonyPerk @habahurhahu @27gunfighterz @realspeckzo How else do you explain that in the old testament there is a "Spirit of God" (Gen 1:2), a Son of God (Proverbs 30:4) and also a seperate narrator (the Father) in Isaiah 53?

@AnotherGroyp @habahurhahu @27gunfighterz @realspeckzo You never explained how the holy trinity works. How is that not idolizing 3 different things? Jews only believe in one God Hashem

@habahurhahu @27gunfighterz @UncleTonyPerk @realspeckzo Like I said, the trinity is an iq test that you failed

@AnotherGroyp @27gunfighterz @UncleTonyPerk @realspeckzo Yeah I never really got the whole three gods thing

@habahurhahu @27gunfighterz @UncleTonyPerk @realspeckzo My point stands regardless

@AnotherGroyp @27gunfighterz @UncleTonyPerk @realspeckzo The sacrifices were never the atonement just part of the process

@habahurhahu @27gunfighterz @UncleTonyPerk @realspeckzo You believing that doesn't change the fact that unless you believe in Christ's final atoning sacrifice, you have not been given divine authority to achieve atonement without temple sacrifices during Yom Kippur. That idea came from man, no matter how highly esteemed they're viewed

@AnotherGroyp @27gunfighterz @UncleTonyPerk @realspeckzo "later sages" These later sages were the anshei knesset hagdolah If they decree something I have every reason to believe moses would've done the same

@habahurhahu @27gunfighterz @UncleTonyPerk @realspeckzo God the Father is dividing for His Son

@AnotherGroyp @27gunfighterz @UncleTonyPerk @realspeckzo By who is he being divided a portion?

@habahurhahu @27gunfighterz @UncleTonyPerk @realspeckzo It's not God the Father talking about Himself in the suffering role. It's the Father prophetically describing the actions and vindication of the Son (the righteous servant)

@AnotherGroyp @27gunfighterz @UncleTonyPerk @realspeckzo Alright then let's go with your opinion why does the text then switch to third person reference if God is referring to himself?

@habahurhahu @27gunfighterz @UncleTonyPerk @realspeckzo In your opinion

@AnotherGroyp @27gunfighterz @UncleTonyPerk @realspeckzo A government official is (supposed to be) a servant of his people The creator of the universe is not

@habahurhahu @27gunfighterz @UncleTonyPerk @realspeckzo Don't you see an issue with core teachings on atonement being developed by later sages in ways not explicitly commanded in the revelation to Moses?

@AnotherGroyp @27gunfighterz @UncleTonyPerk @realspeckzo It doesn't

@habahurhahu @27gunfighterz @UncleTonyPerk @realspeckzo A servant of His people

@AnotherGroyp @27gunfighterz @UncleTonyPerk @realspeckzo Isaiah says regarding this oppressed person that he was a servant Was God his own servant?

@habahurhahu @27gunfighterz @UncleTonyPerk @realspeckzo He's not being made up into the greats, He is being given a portion among the greats is clearly a big difference. How do you not see that?

@AnotherGroyp @27gunfighterz @UncleTonyPerk @realspeckzo "I will divide him among the greats" I don't see how the exact phrasing here matters but ok

@habahurhahu @27gunfighterz @UncleTonyPerk @realspeckzo Isaiah says "He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth" So Him being crucified without resistance is entirely in keeping with Isaiah

@AnotherGroyp @27gunfighterz @UncleTonyPerk @realspeckzo And according to Isaiah he would have continued to be persecuted not crucified

@habahurhahu @27gunfighterz @UncleTonyPerk @realspeckzo What translation uses the words "I will make him one of the greats"? Him being given "a portion among the greats" is not the same meaning as what you misquoted

@AnotherGroyp @27gunfighterz @UncleTonyPerk @realspeckzo It's the only narrative that makes sense The Christian one would be even more dancing The suffering servant (of himself) is persecuted and denied and then at the end god speaks in first person "I will make him one of the greats" God will make himself one of the greatest?

@habahurhahu @27gunfighterz @UncleTonyPerk @realspeckzo Where does the Tanakh indicate that atonement processes would fundamentally shift after prophecy ends, or that later non-prophetic sages could authoritatively institute substitutes like the Amidah prayer as a replacement for sacrifices?

@AnotherGroyp @27gunfighterz @UncleTonyPerk @realspeckzo The anshei knesset hagdolah were one step lower than the prophets they learnt through interpretation of divine teaching To deny their authority would be to deny jesus having even an ounce of authority

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@habahurhahu @27gunfighterz @UncleTonyPerk @realspeckzo So you learnt it not through divine teaching of God but through men?

@AnotherGroyp @27gunfighterz @UncleTonyPerk @realspeckzo Nobody "made it up" sages of Israel that studied the tanakh during the anshei knesset hagdola era learnt and interpreted this from the tanakh

@habahurhahu @27gunfighterz @UncleTonyPerk @realspeckzo I mean when you read every line of Isaiah 53, it alligns with Christian teachings of Christ. True, righteous authority is enacted through service to the authority's people.

@AnotherGroyp @27gunfighterz @UncleTonyPerk @realspeckzo The same way in that he was rejected by everyone or the same way in that he continued to endure untill the people saw him for the messenger of God (continued to endure meaning he wasn't "crucified") Also why then would he be called a "servant"? Was God his own servant?

@habahurhahu @27gunfighterz @UncleTonyPerk @realspeckzo Sounds like mental gymnastics

@AnotherGroyp @27gunfighterz @UncleTonyPerk @realspeckzo The we is a narrative perspective "We (the nations) let him (Israel) suffer"

@habahurhahu @27gunfighterz @UncleTonyPerk @realspeckzo That's not explaining who the we is

@AnotherGroyp @27gunfighterz @UncleTonyPerk @realspeckzo It's a narrative perspective