People have asked why I haven’t weighed in on a particular figure causing Charlie Kirk’s widow and family:
“But have nothing to do with worldly fables fit only for old women. On the other hand, discipline yourself for the purpose of godliness;” 1 Timothy 4:7 NASB
@DirkWalstead@Exodus15_11 “and congregation of the firstborn, who are enrolled in heaven… and to the spirits of the righteous, who have been made perfect,” Hebrews 12:23
First references the church. Second the OT saints in chapter 11. Both at Mt. Zion which is eschatological end point, but not completed
@Flyoverland22@Exodus15_11 You’ve made the claim a couple of times now Heb 12:22-24 presents an ironclad distinction between church and Israel.
Can you show me that, because I’m not seeing it
@DirkWalstead@Exodus15_11 Refers to the Jewish saints the book was written to (hence continuity) and they are not the promise. With the us, they’d be incomplete had they received what was promised. And the us and them have an eternal distinction in vv12:22-24.
Hebrews is not the killer book that ends Dispensationalism. Other theological viewpoints undermine the argument and encouragement the writer of Hebrews is making.
@DirkWalstead@Exodus15_11 How so? Because according to Hebrews 11:39-40, OT saints have yet to receive what was promised. In v12:22-24 there is an eternal distinction between the church and OT saints as well.
God being a God of love, grace, mercy, peace, forgiveness, and with the strength of the endurance of the saints, does it at all fit with writing off ethnic Israel? The character of God is what stands in the balance. Future restoration fits God’s character best, the other does not
Hebrews talks about the New Covenant being better than the old, but not fulfilled. Had it been fulfilled the heroes of chapter 11 would have received what was promised. They haven’t yet. That amazing part is future and soon.
The strength of pre-millennial positions is the full recognition and clarity that God is the hero that gets it all done an we all benefit from his mercy.
Reading the NT back into the old sets up the idea that an all knowing and powerful God who created human languages is incapable of speaking clearly. The writers of the OT knew what they were talking about, and sets up the of a restored Israel as clearly promised, but ignored.
Problem with the church replacing
or defined as spiritual Israel is it opens God up to the charge that as an all powerful being, he cannot communicate clearly in the OT or that perseverance of the Saints is false. Israel’s distinction is precisely to avoid that accusation.
One of the problems with the two peoples of God straw man criticism of dispensationalism is that people got saved by the one Gospel before Israel and before Abraham.
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The era of being able to play church is over. Time to focus intently on the whole great commission, not just saved and baptized, but teaching to observe all Christ commanded as well. Let’s get to work. After all: We win.
Titus 2:15 is sobering. It gives pastors authority to teach and train His people to do good. It’s the weight to produce what Paul is talking about. But by the grace of God, a pastor is a man like any other man. God calls pastors and through them all people to be more-to do good.
God did not tell Joshua to watch what priests said about His Torah. He told Joshua to study His Torah. Why do I agree with the Baptistic sense of no creed but the Bible? It fits what God told Joshua.
Creeds are not unbiblical but the danger is they can easily supplant the Bible.