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@Eugenikos3 You are going to encounter significant problems if you situate the relations between Persons outside of the act of Being, i.e. in creation; worst of all that you are going to posit subject and object within the Godhead.

@Eugenikos3 Any relation within God describes the one act of Being by which the Father is 'cause' of the Son and Spirit, and thus any eternal relation between Son and Spirit is within this one act of Being. Thus the relation describes the Person by way of His 'cause'.

@GucciG_d What does this have to do with anything that we are discussing? Being attached to a person has nothing to do with production but simply bearing a relation to a person. St John says the Spirit does not receive existence through the Son btw

@Eugenikos3 I’d appreciate if you did more than ‘scan’ the text. Anything pertaining to the economy pertains to Incarnation; all knowledge of God is mediated by creation. All that is implied here is what John Damascene says when he calls the Spirit the συναπτόμενον of the Father and Son.

@GucciG_d I have scanned what you sent one more time and still unaware: - Where the Spirit is being produced by the Son - Where the Spirit proceeds principally from the Son This is not present in the quote. He *literally* invokes creation.

St Augustine of Hippo explicitly condemns the Filioque, by saying that the personal property of the Father is to be cause, and this is incommunicable.

@Eugenikos3 I take it youre just going to ignore the fact that Augustine said exactly the thing you said he would never say, and you are going to ignore this is exactly what Florence said.

@GucciG_d Clearly in reference to the creature here btw. Read the context around the quote, since they are one beginning considering the same way to the world production cannot be inferred since the production of the world is qua natural form, therefore this is referring to grace.

an underdiscussed aspect of modern capitalism is that most low-wage jobs tightly regulate what you're doing at all times while you're on the clock and most high-wage jobs consist of hours of unstructured time in front of the computer during which you can do whatever

@Eugenikos3 De Trinitate Book V

@GucciG_d So does the Spirit proceed principally from the Son as well 💀💀 Can you find me St Augustine saying that?

@Eugenikos3 St Augustine uses principium to describe what is communicated to the Son. Same word as Florence

@GucciG_d Clearly you do not believe the Father communicates principle procession to the Son. So I ask, what is the proper content of principle procession vs communal procession?

@Eugenikos3 If you think that the communication of principality means the communication of paternity you have no clue what you’re talking about. Did you convert yesterday?

@Eugenikos3 Idk if you thought for two seconds about my post but i said this was done before and it was a dead end. truglia tried this six years ago and then had to move from it. Did you think I was trying to hop on your stream or something

@Eugenikos3 Where is the anti-Filioque in yours? From the same tractate.

@GucciG_d Where is the Filioque here? Also, this doesnt engage with the quote at all simply provides another, which means I assume that you think the above quote proves he didnt teach the Filioque unless more context is given.

@Immaculata_City Everything characteristic of St Augustine, including his alleged errors, are thoroughly present in Confessions and Contra Faustus. His critics are most comfortable when they don't know who Augustine is when they lay all this blame at his feet

This is the problem- they actually weren't opposed, for the very reason you mentioned. Because the East didn't bother to translate Augustine until much much later. They actually had no interest in doing so since they felt the Western Church was beneath them. They did though (inconveniently for his Greek detractors), in an ecumenical council, place Augustine and his teachings among the holy. Meanwhile, the West, had received Augustine, through Ss Prosper, Isadore, Pope Gregory, etc. His works were the single most transcribed among monastics from Italy to Ireland from the 5th cen onward. While the entire West took to an authentic reception of Augustine in matters of theology, philosophy, ecclesiology, the East post hoc, wants to say this was some kind of aberration that can be reduced down to saying they'll just receive his Confessions lol. Like that's even a possibility if they want to claim the unified "1st Millennium Church." Meanwhile, compare that to the Western Scholastics, who revered and admired the works of the Greek Fathers, and sought for all they could to get their hands on as many translations as possible. St Thomas opined he'd trade all of Paris for one copy of Chrysostom's commentary on John. All this while the East couldn't bother to translate Augustine despite having ample opportunity! Nor did they show anything but hesitancy at best (sometimes outright disdain) when they did get hold of his works. The difference couldn't be more stark- the West always desired to receive and accept the Greek Fathers. The East couldn't be bothered with even the single most important Latin Father!

@Blonddieee_ Liberalism i.e. liberty of conscience is the training by which men become the effete modern cowards we know them today. You either get a culture of conscientiousness or a culture of masculinity not both

The movie OBSESSION exposes how cowardly some men can be when it comes to handling rejection. Instead of being bold enough to ask a woman out, they choose another route that doesn’t involve them doing it directly If Bear had simply asked Nikki out, none of this would have happened. The worst she could’ve said was NO

@masontdoyle Hermann really looked at a handful of patristic sources, said Its giving hegel, then called it a day. maybe next time he could do actual research

Here's where it gets interesting. Theology has historically used dialectical logic — thesis, antithesis, synthesis. Herrmann proves mathematically that this method has a serious problem. (4/9)

🧵 I've been reading Oneness, The Trinity and Logic by Robert Herrmann, a mathematician who applied formal logic and model theory to questions about God. Here's what I've found so far, translated for a non-math audience. (1/9)

@ByJimbob Refute what exactly

@GucciG_d You didn’t refute what he said. And he didn’t say it was beneath him. He was clearly talking about authority to teach.

This guy goes on tucker to talk for 2 hours about fucking giants but its beneath him to talk about baptism with the hylics. nü-orthodoxy everybody

@Efyfgyfhbk14746 @StolenDans I made it

@GucciG_d @StolenDans Where’s this from?

keep an eye on those corners brotha

@Gravantus For me it's the difference St Augustine describes between the simplicity and peace of finding God by Christian faith, and seeking the fame and wilting glory of the world in debates, laurels and empty show which he attributes to Manichees. I agree with the St Peter: be sober.

@GucciG_d I pointed out when it happened that I disliked Orthodoxy becoming the online schizo debate-bro religion instead of the sobriety of the spirituality that attracted me to it in the first place and everyone jumped down my throat