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@Cloud_Tradez @Jondo__ @Iknowthingsfr @abdelhady65271 @GodLogic_GL Again, I am not saying you worship him. But you still are not answering me why you mention him specifically. He is only a messenger - agreed - but you mention him in all your daily prayers. If you don’t have an answer for that, it is fine. Just was curious on it.

@_coldfact_ @Jondo__ @Iknowthingsfr @abdelhady65271 @GodLogic_GL You don't understand it's not about muhammad. It's about the final revelation which was sent to him from the lord. The quran constantly says he's only a messenger to convey the message. And it orders us NOT to make any distinctions between the prophets see below.

Muslims...I got shubuhat from this...you guys told me the "different versions" of the Quran were just dialects...why are they contradicting each other?

@Cloud_Tradez @Jondo__ @Iknowthingsfr @abdelhady65271 @GodLogic_GL So the dead can hear you? I am not saying you worship him - just find this direct speaking to him - over all prophets, and even your messiah a curious thing you do. What makes Muhammad so notable? Jesus was more remarkable in every way.

@_coldfact_ @Jondo__ @Iknowthingsfr @abdelhady65271 @GodLogic_GL We believe all martyrs and prophets are alive in their graves (intermediate state), their bodies do not decompose. Not just the prophet muhammad (saw). We do not directly worship a man, like my brother said we ask Allah to send peace and blessings upon him, he commanded us to.

@Cloud_Tradez @Jondo__ @Iknowthingsfr @abdelhady65271 @GodLogic_GL Are you lying or spinning again? Many sources say what I am saying. They are lying? mymasjid.ca/beginners-guid… imamghazali.org/blog/salawat virtualmosque.com/islam-studies/… myislam.org/tashahhud-dua-… aispk.org/sending-blessi… AFTER he is a dead man. Why?

@Cloud_Tradez @Jondo__ @Iknowthingsfr @abdelhady65271 @GodLogic_GL "Peace be upon you, O Prophet, and Allah's mercy and blessings." You say this.

@Cloud_Tradez @Jondo__ @Iknowthingsfr @abdelhady65271 @GodLogic_GL You talk directly to a dead man every time you pray the Tashahhud. Directly. "Peace be upon you, O Prophet, and Allah's mercy and blessings." But no reference or direct talk to your Messiah. Is Muhammad more important than your Messiah?🤔 Jesus will return to Earth, but not Mo.

@_coldfact_ @Jondo__ @Iknowthingsfr @abdelhady65271 @GodLogic_GL We send blessings upon the prophet muhammad and his family as he sent blessings upon prophet Ibrahim and his family. Who's says we worship him? 😂😂

@Cloud_Tradez @Jondo__ @Iknowthingsfr @abdelhady65271 @GodLogic_GL He is your messiah! But you only pray to Muhammad in your prayers! How does that work?

@_coldfact_ @Jondo__ @Iknowthingsfr @abdelhady65271 @GodLogic_GL Oh we do honour the messiah jesus peace be upon him. We just don't worship humans.

@Branch_Dwidian @JenResistedAGN Also, on the "entirety of Christian theology disagrees with YOUR version". On face value, maybe. But my kenotic idea of God seems to hold up to scripture: John 14:6 and Matthew 1:23 God with us and him being the way and the life describes my view exactly.

@Branch_Dwidian @JenResistedAGN No I get that. Fully. We create God in OUR image. But - and I know you have to suspend disbelief - if there is a God, he would likewise create us in HIS image. So that he could meaningfully have a relationship with us. And, in line with my theology, could discover who we are.

Did the babies drowned in the biblical flood have free will?

@Cloud_Tradez @Jondo__ @Iknowthingsfr @abdelhady65271 @GodLogic_GL Jesus is OUR messiah! Together! You should mention him in your prayers! Not Muhammad. Not honoring your messiah is sad.😭

@_coldfact_ @Jondo__ @Iknowthingsfr @abdelhady65271 @GodLogic_GL May jesus come back and guide you to the straight path 🙏🙏😇

@Cloud_Tradez @Jondo__ @Iknowthingsfr @abdelhady65271 @GodLogic_GL God bless you, buddy! You are a legendary debater!🙏

@_coldfact_ @Jondo__ @Iknowthingsfr @abdelhady65271 @GodLogic_GL Change your name to ColdFiction pls.

@KubricklynchYT @DesperateChem @JenResistedAGN take the L or keep engaging me with my frenetic adderall posting on the same stuff over and over again. Got it, bud. I will take the L.😭

@_coldfact_ @DesperateChem @JenResistedAGN the have a nice day shit is so cringe, you can just take the L lmao

@KubricklynchYT @DesperateChem @JenResistedAGN no, because we have been through every variant of innocent baby death and other things that make you cry, and I have explained my position over and over again. What else is left?

@_coldfact_ @DesperateChem @JenResistedAGN “ this is going nowhere” That is usually what people say when they are losing the argument, badly

@DesperateChem @KubricklynchYT @JenResistedAGN cool - anyway - not going anywhere, but thanks. God allows: free will nature to play out with minimal intervention. That results in truly amazing things. And truly terrible things. And that is the way it is. Have a nice day!

@_coldfact_ @KubricklynchYT @JenResistedAGN Yeah, it's purposeful if he has knowledge of the bad thing since he's omniscient and the power to stop it since he's omnipotent. Him letting those things happen despite having the ability to stop them is purposeful

@KubricklynchYT @DesperateChem @JenResistedAGN yes, he can and does leave his kenotic state when warranted for whatever reason. But the majority of time he wants: free will nature To proceed with minimal intervention. At no point did I say he cannot intervene. Intervention comes at the cost of free will, though.

@_coldfact_ @DesperateChem @JenResistedAGN so? god strikes people down in the bible. you really have no idea what is in the bible, do you?

@KubricklynchYT @DesperateChem @JenResistedAGN he is not MAKING it happen. That is all I am saying. Anyway, this is going nowhere, have a nice day!

@_coldfact_ @DesperateChem @JenResistedAGN that made no sense. if god doesn’t stop something from happening, he is letting it happen. this is incredibly basic common sense

@KubricklynchYT @DesperateChem @JenResistedAGN nope, nature and nurture created him Maybe his dad abused him.

@_coldfact_ @DesperateChem @JenResistedAGN God created the rapist and every neuron in his brain. He is the one who decided to give the dude a rapey personality

@KubricklynchYT @DesperateChem @JenResistedAGN So he removed his free will. To do good AND bad. So - again - you don't like free will. Understood.

@_coldfact_ @DesperateChem @JenResistedAGN God could just intervene and strike the rapist dead. What downside would there be to that?

@DesperateChem @KubricklynchYT @JenResistedAGN key word? PURPOSEFUL. That is how I modified lets. When I use lets, I am say he lets life unfold without intervention. Your use of lets? He lets planes crash - like he is sitting their throwing them out of the sky.

@_coldfact_ @KubricklynchYT @JenResistedAGN "oh ffs. He does not LET in happen in any purposeful way." "He lets EVERYTHING happen." Christ, you're contradicting yourself within your own posts now.

@KubricklynchYT @DesperateChem @JenResistedAGN he made nature. In nature is gravity. If humans choose to create and fly planes, why should God have to redo gravity so that they don't fall out of the sky? This is a very weird system you are proposing.

@_coldfact_ @DesperateChem @JenResistedAGN god could easily make it so that planes never crashed

@DesperateChem @KubricklynchYT @JenResistedAGN so an all loving God, gives us free will and natural order. But when we do bad stuff - like a rapist with a woman - HIS free will should be curtailed, because an innocent woman should not suffer. So basically you want only free will to do good stuff. That is not free will

@_coldfact_ @KubricklynchYT @JenResistedAGN "Innocent people suffer and they are not to blame. All the time." Yes, and in a universe governed by an all-loving, all-powerful deity, this *cannot happen.* That's the argument.