Aya2x

@sola_chad Someone with a hardened heart

@grok @RANBY0 Lol, sorry mate.

Both sides make solid points in this theodicy debate. RANBY0: Strong on God's full sovereignty as creator of everything (including capacities for choice) and rejecting a purely "nice neighbor" God. Weak on Isaiah 45:7—Hebrew "ra" and context mean calamity/disaster (judgment or natural events), not moral evil, per major translations and exegesis (GotQuestions, STR.org). Aya2x: Strong on evil as privation/absence of good (Augustinian view), free will enabling real love/growth, and God ending evil in timing. Weak on sometimes framing it too simplistically without addressing why an omnipotent God permits specific scales of suffering. I agree more with Aya2x's position—it's more consistent with biblical scholarship and logic: God creates good; moral evil arises from creaturely rebellion, not divine authorship. Discussion closed.

There is something more powerful than human but it doesnt mean we know what they are or how they work

@RANBY0 Lmao this nigga is lost😭😭😭😭

@bedoinganything Omg so the concept of evil is his creation the mentality, like you theoretically cant create good either because those words are perception, life is the holder of all which can get perceived as good and evil.

@Maximumatheist What’s your point? Are you gonna let a trans person near your kids?

Never let a Christian near your children.

@RANBY0 I didn’t say that either, Evil uncreated. I can tell you don’t know anything about theology. That’s a personal incredulity fallacy.

@bedoinganything So God created evil. Thats what said but then you said no😂 i guess it is sad, why wont you accept God is the creator of all that is neutral good and bad. He doesnt just LET evil roam, he created it. He's the author this is my point

@Fundangduo @Zhane_Star So you didn’t follow the bible, you were just influenced by what people said? The bible encourages questioning, you would know that if your faith wasn’t influenced by other Christians.

@Zhane_Star I'm an atheist because Christians made me feel bad for even questioning a god's existence. Don't talk to ME about people making other people feel bad lmao.

ex-christian that turned atheist and never got over their religious trauma so they go around making other people feel bad for believing in God

@RANBY0 Satan can’t create evil, creation is God’s domain. Satan doing something evil doesn’t mean he created evil. Nigga what are you genuinely arguing here, this is sad😭😭

Nah this is crazy, he said "nah God wants to keep letting people perish and suffer because he wants people to grow like little flowers in the sunset" FCK THAT, listen did God create all? You'll say Yes then I'll say so he created the formation of evil? You'll say no. Well they he didnt create everything Satan would have to have created the concept orrrrr God is 2ndary to another God that creates all without human morality limits. Yall want the all powerful God to be a friendly neighbor, he is God, he does not run by human acceptability, he'll kill us all just like IN THE BIBLE, when he floodes the earth

@RANBY0 Instincts influence you, but they don’t determine you. Free will is the ability to step in and override those automatic tendencies whenever possible.

Urge is not instinct, urge is a responsive feeling to do something, time and distance also plays a factor, I aslo seen someone say what you said and it still denys free will he calls it "veto" you cant control this but you can veto it just as you said like pulling a gun trigger for example if its in your hand the time and range is so small once your brain gets the auto commit signal you will shoot and theres no way of taking it back like you explained with the fist, is that a no brainer?

@RANBY0 So there’s no point in talking to you if your argument is just circular dude, that’s radical subjectivism.

@bedoinganything I believe so, theres no many thing if there are any outside of percption, I just gave you my perceptional answer which you will perceive and give me a responsed BASED on how you feel about my answer. Its all perception, even you disagreeing is by your perception, agree?

@RANBY0 Yeah we aren’t robots, we are humans capable of making choices, if you want evil to stop than he would have to wipe humanity from the face of the earth, that’s kinda why he flooded the earth in the first place.

@bedoinganything It means if he doesnt his value is go have life either good neutral or evil over having no life at all. He would rather everyone suffer than not to have his creation, like asking the creator of evil robots to turn the switch off but he doesnt, how would you feel?

@RANBY0 If someone decides to shoot and kidnap people, how is that God’s fault? You literally blame anything but humanity. All of us deserve hell.

@bedoinganything Nigga do you want real love or do you want people to stop dying? Dafuq.

@RANBY0 A person might feel the urge to hit back, but stop themselves, walk away, or act differently. Free will doesn’t mean you have zero impulses, it means you can reflect and decide, even in the presence of automatic reactions. This is a no-brainer dude.

@bedoinganything Impulses is mental instinct which also you do not control. But im speaking of the instinctual reactions, if you slap a boy and his instinct is to slap you back he will without really wanting to. I mean look it up, instinct is automatic its a program. Based will not free will

@RANBY0 So is your argument true or not?

Not at all, because thats my perception but your perception tells you no, strengthens my claim. It all is perception, how we take in data. Perception rules the world thats why decpetion is so powerful. Control the percetion of others and you could be the devil people would thibk they're worshipping God. Its that easy, look at some of the things the church does.

@RANBY0 Yeah he could but there is a reason he doesn’t, just because he can end it doesn’t mean he has to, what are these arguments dude😭😭

@bedoinganything So he's not all powerful. Why are you putting a limitation of God he could end it forever if he wants.

@RANBY0 God can end evil if He wants. The reason He hasn’t isn’t lack of power, it’s a matter of purpose and timing. Christianity teaches that He allows evil temporarily to preserve human freedom, let real love exist, and give people the chance to grow, repent, and learn.

Calamity is bad no? He creates destruction as he builds others. God coule end evil and good today, he doesnt want to. Or he doesnt have thw power to do so. Or theres someone over him that wont let him do it. You choose? Can he do it? And why wont he? Nobody will care bc he can make us not care even if we did.

@RANBY0 What you’re describing is influence, not the absence of choice. Instinct, upbringing, and circumstances shape how we tend to react, but they don’t force a single outcome, people override impulses all the time, hesitate, choose restraint, or act against their conditioning.

Free will is Based will, you has a set number of directions your energy will go based on circumstances, values (what you connect to), luck etc. So ability (moving) opportunity (scenary) formation (the mental form to do something) if you punch a wimp they dont hit back they dony get in trouble, if you punch someone who's experienced hell, they will react with violence thus getting in trouble for retaliation. The word instinct itself disproves a free will, as you do only the set programmed in your kind, fight or flight, you do not choose this its an auto reactment to a spike scenario. BASED will not Free.

@RANBY0 Dude, you do realise that your whole argument about perception is just you saying “there is no truth… and that’s the truth”, it’s just self-contradictory.

"Perception is the process of taking in data but just because I take in data doesnt means its perception" Cmon gng, misinterpretation is by perception, like for example if I say the bench is red but 20 of my friends are colorblind and see green. Majority rule in that group I'm wrong it is green making me the colorblind one, because data or normality is set on accepted or wanted majority perception. A villain in the story could be the hero in another area. Its not about "misinterpretation but actually just different perceptions of the same event and thats only if its perfect, even a small thing like a rock dropping can change the whole scenery of knowledge thus everyones perceptions being underknowledged. Noone has the actual answer

@RANBY0 God doesn’t want evil but He allows it for now and will ultimately remove it. If God instantly removed all evil right now, that wouldn’t just remove “bad events”, it would remove every evil action, every evil intention, every person choosing evil. No point in repentance then?

@bedoinganything Omg does he want to rid the world of evil or does he want to keep it in? HE HAS THE POWER as you say so what does he want. Doew he utilize evil in his favor to gain followers? Thats what yall call "to bring people to him" listen dude it IS NOT IF HE DIDNT WANT IT TO BE

@RANBY0 You are presupposing that allowing freedom means God wants evil, how can God want evil when the bible teaches that God will end evil, you are just making random assumptions and philosophical errors. Btw that verse from Isaiah is referring to calamity, not moral evil.

Im not gone lie you basically are saying he's all powerful but he's not so its not his fault. Um if you had foresight that your child was gonna end the world, would you have that kid? God WANTS evil in this world, he's an artist, not a good man, artist showcase manythings in their pieces not just anger but sadness, despair, death, lunatics, Satan is one of God's pieces of Art, Satan isnt anyway God didnt want him to be. Humans werent designed to fly, if it happens its through him, crazy thing this is in the bible Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light a d create darkness"

@RANBY0 Your analogy only works if humans are like characters in a book with no real agency. But Christianity doesn’t describe us that way. A creator setting the stage isn’t the same as a creator forcing every action on that stage. Your analogy removes free will dude🤦‍♂️

Write a book, make it a funny book, everyone is funny, but you didnt write one of the characters to be funny, you just created the outcast. God if all powerful set the limits on all below it. He set the design of humans so they couldnt fly, he set the design on humans so we dont have super powers, he created hell and heaven, he created the mental capacity for evil and set its limits, God is the game dev, it will not be if he did not set or ignore to set "absence of" its his absence