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@DrNice2026 @wrinders @stkirsch What are the elderly doing around rusty metal?

@wrinders @cryptokyle_33 @stkirsch An unvaccinated oregon boy was hospitalized and on life support for nearly two months due to tetanus infection in 2018. It is easily prevented but treatment is grueling. 37 cases last year, mostly elderly. Significant durable immunity is from vaccination and boosters.

Watch this space because @DrNice2026 is about to have a real problem coming up with ONE paper comparing VAXXED with FULLY unvaxxed (no vaccines) showing NO association.

@DrNice2026 @wrinders @stkirsch Was it from disease or birth complications?

@wrinders @cryptokyle_33 @stkirsch Yes. Infants used to die commonly of infectious disease. Ever visit a historic cemetary?

@DarrenDoherty83 @stkirsch I don’t have an issue with that statement

@cryptokyle_33 @stkirsch I didn't say it was just from living longer. I said it was also because we are better at finding chronic illnesses and diagnosing all ailments. Plus the criteria for said ailments has also widened and in addition become more accepted to have them.

And yet there is no study in the United States that looks at actual record level data and determines that the measles vaccine actually saved any lives from an all cause mortality standpoint. If you think I’m wrong, cite the paper.

@DarrenDoherty83 @stkirsch I don’t think that’s the only reason why people are developing chronic issues. Because of “living longer” 1920 average age of death was 54, now it’s 79. Pretty good, but that means we would only really see a spike in chronic issues post 54. Currently kids have chronic issue

@cryptokyle_33 @stkirsch The problem is that we as a species are so good at stopping acute illness that the byproduct of that comes chronically. If you live longer youre more likely to develop something. We're also getting better at realising theres a problem. I dont think you can have it both ways.

@DarrenDoherty83 @stkirsch Yes, I think the current definition fails to encompass what it is.

@cryptokyle_33 @stkirsch I suppose you have to define health

@DarrenDoherty83 @stkirsch Yes. But we don’t know if they end up healthier than the kids who didn’t take any. I think that’s important to know.

@cryptokyle_33 @stkirsch Like we said before. Its very difficult to state what would happen. But we know that unvaccinated have higher risks of contracting all ailments based on levels of cases

@DarrenDoherty83 @stkirsch * 0 vax vs the full schedule

@DarrenDoherty83 @stkirsch I’m not happy with any death. It’s not what I’m after. I think informed consent matters here, people need to know that there are risks vaccinating and risks not vaccinating. That is up to each individual. There should be enough data to see how fully vax kids do vs full schedule

@DarrenDoherty83 @stkirsch Deaths fell 98%+ pre-vaccine because host resilience (nutrition/sanitation) solved the mortality crisis. 400 deaths in 180M people is a 0.0002% risk, statistically negligible compared to the 95% infection rate. I bring this up because the right to chose medicine is important

@cryptokyle_33 @stkirsch Problem solved? Deaths dropped but cases didnt. Hospitalisations didn't. Symptoms didnt. 500 deaths a year isnt problem solved.

@stockxsucks @idktbh739253 @BerbarianWizard That’s what I thought

@idktbh739253 @cryptokyle_33 @BerbarianWizard Cialis is completely different

The pump in the gym is painful even at doses as low as 2.5 mg

@DarrenDoherty83 @stkirsch Raw deaths fell ~93% (6k to 400) from 1912-1962 while the population doubled. The 98% figure reflects the mortality rate (deaths per 100k), which crashed from 13.3 to 0.2. Either way, the 'problem' was effectively solved solved by nutrition/sanitation long before the 1963 vaccine

@cryptokyle_33 @stkirsch 98% fall to 500 would mean initial deaths of around 30k a year (US alone). Im not sure it was that high.

@idktbh739253 @BerbarianWizard Yes indeed, I just wanted to make sure they were similar enough.

@NightShiftMD Every communicable disease mortality dropped 90-98% pre vax. How embarrassing

It is BECAUSE of great scientific breakthroughs like vaccines extending the human lifespan and eradicating diseases that enables ignorant fools to pretend that those diseases were no big deal.

@DarrenDoherty83 @stkirsch I couldn’t physically agree anymore than I already do

@cryptokyle_33 @stkirsch Because people exaggerate at best and downright lie at worst.

@DarrenDoherty83 @stkirsch So deaths dropping 98% pre vax, then for it to drop another 99% from there is the actual story. Feel free to double check me

@DarrenDoherty83 @stkirsch I’m quite certain of the decline of 98%. Before indoor plumbing, horses pooping in main street, and a population in extreme poverty, measles was quite deadly. But by 62 deaths crashed to 300-400 a year or so

@DarrenDoherty83 @stkirsch Don’t really want to go that direction. Just a realistic conversation. It’s weird we can’t have a normal public conversation about vaccines. Bring up antibiotics and no one bats an eye. Vaccine talk brings in so much emotion and charge.

@cryptokyle_33 @stkirsch And im sorry. I was waiting for a gotcha moment

@DarrenDoherty83 @stkirsch Well thats why I was looking for a paper to get specific numbers. And I think mortality is brought up the most because we all assumed vaccines did the heavy lifting for that. But mortality was down 98% pre vaccine?

@cryptokyle_33 @stkirsch I would assume, like with anything, some go unreported. But i would be speculating and guessing. I do think though that mortality is always the talking point but theres so much more to consider. Like serious injury, hospitalisations and long term detriment.

@DarrenDoherty83 @stkirsch I’m just clarifying everything is all. I find the whole debate interesting. I’m hoping there is hard numbers on what percent is captured. My grandparents stayed home for a week and called it good. So I imagine we don’t capture all the numbers. What percentage do you think?

@cryptokyle_33 @stkirsch Im morbidly curious where youre going with this. Go on....

@DarrenDoherty83 @stkirsch And we are assuming every single case is counted?

@cryptokyle_33 @stkirsch From measles alone? Based on those figures alone it would be around 10