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just overheard a guy at the bus stop go “I just feel weird” and his friend said “about what” and he said “I don’t know man just the prospect of shit”

@Aella_Girl some people do take an extremely materialistic attitude to trauma (as if it’s a materially measurable thing via brain scans). others see it in a psychoanalytic context wherein everyone experiences childhood trauma and some cultures create certain collective rituals around it

some cultures had all the kids regularly exposed to adults having sex in the same room as them. Do people generally just think "Oh yeah every single person in that entire culture must be extremely traumatized"?

@maenad_as_hell @its_hipolita from your profile it looks like we have very similar political perspectives which is great, but regarding this particular novel we have different perspectives. which i find perplexing that you find perplexing!

@deepdwellerr @its_hipolita I legit cannot tell if you’re trolling, and, if so, it is a deeply perplexing troll.

The whole "dead white men classics" shit from booktok people is absurd because I read Moby Dick and one of the first things Ishmael does is get into a tensely homoerotic two-men-one-bed situation with Queequeg and even goes "it's like I'm his wife... jk haha... unless?"

@caltropsmith @its_hipolita or like, maybe we have different perspectives and don’t need to degrade one another in order to discuss them. 😄

@its_hipolita @deepdwellerr Bro claims to have read a book which includes a chapter about a circle of men squeezing the heavenly spermaceti, holding hands intermittently through their kneading of this pearly sweet ambrosia, and claims there’s nothing homoerotic at all I suspect he didn’t read it

@jdmarr96 @Tlacuwise @its_hipolita it creates the illusory line that male-male intimacy is only for homosexuals. anything that divides people into two groups in this manner (only a certain type of person behaves a certain way) is innate of stigma.

@deepdwellerr @Tlacuwise @its_hipolita That would only be homophobic if one thought there was anything objectionable about it.

@maenad_as_hell @its_hipolita that’s your perspective n probably says a bit about how you view things 🙂

@deepdwellerr @its_hipolita Melville was gay. He had an insane hard on for Nathaniel Hawthorne. Moby Dick is one of the most homoerotic books ever written.

@KimAffirms @its_hipolita I have taken all of that into account and I do appreciate that perspective, my perspective and experience with the text is simply different, and I am critiquing that perspective you’re describing. I have too read that passage, I read the whole book last year! 🥺

@deepdwellerr @its_hipolita Remember too that if Moby-Dick had contained explicit and overt descriptions of male-to-male copulation, it could not have been published in its day. So a certain amount of reading for subtext is not only permissible but necessary.

@redfresds @its_hipolita i don’t know why she got all mean 😪

@redfresds @its_hipolita i don’t think we’re doing anyone any sort of justice by making claims that gendered bonding activities are inherently sexualised or homoerotic. like it’s cool you have your fantasies and of course sometimes they are based in reality but like, keep them to yourself maybe

an important test of a relationship that I don’t see discussed very much: spending time together with other people around— friends, family, in general social or professional settings are you a good team? and, are you a good unit?

@durgaddiction @its_hipolita i’m saying reading the relationship as inherently homoerotic, reading the author as homosexual and the relationship an expression of repressed and/or necessarily hidden due to persecution sexual desires, is projecting into the text. that’s my attitude personally, maybe i’m wrong

@deepdwellerr @its_hipolita Nobody is saying they literally get married, but you can't say it's projecting it into the text when it is an explicit comparison made in the text

@69cloroxshots @its_hipolita thankyou for holding my hand, what a sweet display of nonsexual male intimacy even though you are straight and i am homosexual. i disagree with your reading however ☺️💝

@deepdwellerr @its_hipolita Hum... I'll hold your hand when I say this, but... As a straight guy whose Moby-Dick is their favorite work of fiction... That book is gay as shit, man. Melville himself was very likely a gay man and a lot of that comes through in his work.

@johnofgauntlet @its_hipolita hahahaha maybe so 🥲🥲😅😅

@deepdwellerr @its_hipolita This reminds me of Carmela Soprano getting up in arms when meadow says Billy budd is gay

@durgaddiction @its_hipolita i read it as a simile not as a literal ‘this equals that’ statement

@deepdwellerr @its_hipolita Then how could you say it's reading it into in the text, it's pretty explicitly said in the text that it parallels a romantic relationship

@AdamMartinTime @its_hipolita 💯

@deepdwellerr @its_hipolita Just a bit of transcendent squeezing with the lads 😉

@baked_into_a_pi @its_hipolita see, when i read this, as a homosexual, i read it as a simile, not a literal statement. 🙂

@deepdwellerr @its_hipolita

@Vat_city @its_hipolita does he actually say that? 😮

@deepdwellerr @its_hipolita “Oh strapping Queequeg, how large and beautiful is thy harpoon!”

@durgaddiction @its_hipolita yup!

@deepdwellerr @its_hipolita Did you read the book

@lakejeneva @_DVAMP1_ @its_hipolita and that was because innocuous nonsexual male intimacy was already being culturally reinforced to us at a young age to be always innate of homosexuality.

@lakejeneva @_DVAMP1_ @its_hipolita men being intimate in any manner whatever is homosexual. i’m saying this as a homosexual. when i was a kid i wanted to hug my male friends and cuddle them during sleepovers, but because this was seen as gay they eventually distanced themselves and in some cases even beat me up..