Ashurī
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Ashurī รีทวีตแล้ว
Ashurī รีทวีตแล้ว
Ashurī รีทวีตแล้ว

feel lot of arguments about the proletariat and the bourgeoisie qua coherent entities would do well to see that class is a relation of struggle: whoever toils under its sign lives a life cut and divided in and against itself. Gunn explains it well.
libcom.org/article/notes-…
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Ashurī รีทวีตแล้ว

1/ By agreeing with the guy you implied that people who think SNLT is also demand-related haven't read Marx. So you can't really play the "you're being dogmatic" card.
It's just a playful comeback 🥸
2/ It's not just a fight between Heinrich & Moseley.
3/ It *is* resolved.
Theryn@TherynDArnold
"marxists don't read marx" proceeds to treat one side of the unresolved Heinrich/Moseley fight over value-determination as the obviously correct reading that the rest of us are too illiterate to have arrived at.
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Ashurī รีทวีตแล้ว

@BolshevikCake @Sofishevik Your reading contradicts the text; 30 years later Marx makes an almost alike statement. That the state is abolished from the nascent of communism furthermore corresponds to Engels's description of the withering of the state as proportional to the abolition of commodity production


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@derimanist @Sofishevik he wrote about a transistory phase ( dotp, the first degree of socialism ) between capitalism and communism. Both Marx and Engels agreed that state will eventualy wither away, but never said it should be abolished
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"socialist state" states can't be socialist
Orbi 💜@OrbiOther
@Sofishevik If you think it wasn't socialism because in your mind there's a checklist of ideal characteristics a socialist state or territory must fulfill, then you're not familiar with the marxist method of interpreting history. There is no *should have* in history.
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Ashurī รีทวีตแล้ว
Ashurī รีทวีตแล้ว

@derimanist @Sofishevik and whos talking about communism here? read a book, soy anarchist. Marx and Engels were never anti-state
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@BolshevikCake @Sofishevik Marx is very clear that the abolition of the state is the premise of communism.
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@Sofishevik please at least, read a book. Im not talking about Lenin and shit, just Marx. read fuxking Marx
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Ashurī รีทวีตแล้ว
Ashurī รีทวีตแล้ว

i keep going off and on estrogen cuz i neither want developed breasts nor twink death 😭
Kibii@Pibbibellyflop
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Ashurī รีทวีตแล้ว

Communism, Marx argued, is not something to be achieved but what workers are struggling for. The Situationists' term "détournement" is a good one to describe turning mechanism of oppression in to those of struggle.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%A9to…
🧡Lulu🌾;@ItsLulu_7
Communism is the people!
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@Inclamiente @EKuhberg Crusoe přímo předpokládá společnost, jinak by neexistoval resp. nenarodil se :)
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@derimanist @EKuhberg Ano je. Nicméně pokud si odmyslíme existenci spoelcnosit a uvažují jednoho člověka jako je Robinson Crusoe například, tak ten též drží soukromé výrobní prostředky. Tudíž k tomu spoelcnosit jako taková není potřeba. Stačí jeden člověk (to jsme spolu jiz řešili)
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Je neuvěřitelné, že lidem jako Prokop nejde principiálně vyhovět. Prostě všechno může být zadarmo, všechno může být dotované a stejně vám řeknou, že nase socialistické školství zdarma je moc pro bohate, že chytřejší rodiče dokáží lépe vybrat školy.
To se už nedá parodovat
Vojtěch Bednář@aveius
je to téměř přesně naopak.
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@Inclamiente @EKuhberg a soukromé vlastnictví není společenská instituce?
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@EKuhberg Ano. Socialismus je definovány jako společenská kontrola výrobních prostředků. Povinná školní docházka je sama o sobě šílená, že stát to nařizuje sedět ve státní škole. Typická socialistická politika.
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"Communism lost the working class when it became the preserve of marginal bohemians: LGBTQ, abolitionists, mentally ill, etc"
michael michaels@michael180966
@Spiralhetre It wasn't Victorian prudery; it was general social morality. Communism lost the working class when it became the preserve of marginal bohemians: LGBTQ, abolitionists, mentally ill, etc
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