mike

@G1959Gary @JordanC25253124 @EssexgoonerMr You completely missed the point here. This is all in response to the article saying you need to earn 71k. An article in which it compares a working 2 + 2 with a non working 2 + 3 with a child with disability. I'm pointing out that if you make them the same it's very different

@drifter104 @JordanC25253124 @EssexgoonerMr People who work don’t tend to claim any disability benefits and definitely don’t have 3 or more kids unless they can afford it

Under Labour, someone WORKING on £35k salary is £1,400 worse off But someone NOT working with 3+ kids could get £81k a year of benefits This is becoming a DISGRACE Rewarded for not working & PUNISHED for working harder for less

@JordanC25253124 @Marco_mmabjj @EssexgoonerMr You can't talk about a figure that includes pensioners and then say don't talk about pensioners? The 334bn includes pensions. It's irrelevant because I support the bill either way.

@drifter104 @Marco_mmabjj @EssexgoonerMr No, don't involve pensioners please they have paid in. My tax bill from last year says 10% pensions. 21% Welfare.

@JordanC25253124 @Marco_mmabjj @EssexgoonerMr Yes.... as roughly half it goes to pensioners. It will keep growing because we have an aging population.

@drifter104 @Marco_mmabjj @EssexgoonerMr I will look into it more deeply when I have time. But you still need to answer my question? Do you support this welfare bill, regardless of what people get? The total bill just is simply not sustainable. It has continued to be the biggest single hole in this countries economy.

@Marco_mmabjj @EssexgoonerMr Ok but still nowhere near 81k. Keep reaching.

@drifter104 @EssexgoonerMr And I know someone with 3 kids who get all rent (2300 ) paid

@Marco_mmabjj @EssexgoonerMr That's "children" not child. When you say child = 10k, thats saying a child gets you 10k. Also still nowhere near 81k

@drifter104 @EssexgoonerMr 3 child = 10k

@Col00156481 @Marco_mmabjj @EssexgoonerMr No rent is included in UC. No one gets a free car, they lose the mobility element. No one gets free food. No one gets free energy. Everyone gets free healthcare.

@drifter104 @Marco_mmabjj @EssexgoonerMr Ad on free rent of a property in central London £2k a month some places will be double, plus free energy, free food, free healthcare, free dentist & opticians etc, free car, free taxi. All soon adds up to a lot of money paid for by UK taxpayers

@JordanC25253124 @Marco_mmabjj @EssexgoonerMr By the way. Both versions had a single child with a disability. Combined 40k income. Yes 40k would still get you 2k to 2.5k in benefits. The code is there you can verify the results. Also. This is what actual proof looks like

@JordanC25253124 @Marco_mmabjj @EssexgoonerMr Here you go. 2+2 family compared to a 2+3 family. The only difference between the 2 calculations is adding a child. When you use your brain, even just a little you can disprove so many lies

@JordanC25253124 @Marco_mmabjj @EssexgoonerMr The link .gov literally gives you all the information

@drifter104 @Marco_mmabjj @EssexgoonerMr You simple rhetoric around caps and links to them in .gov has proven nothing.

@JordanC25253124 @Marco_mmabjj @EssexgoonerMr You don't have the time to get information to stop yourself being lied to? But you have enough time to spread those lies? gov.uk/government/pub…

@drifter104 @Marco_mmabjj @EssexgoonerMr I don't have the time, as I need to spend my time earning money. My job requires consistent education. I can't waste my time on shit that doesn't. I use the tools at my disposal as they work. You have not proven anything counteractive, nor any references to your points.

@NeilHar38005083 @EssexgoonerMr An adult can only be on 1 benefit claim. So even in this exact situation, the other 2 families would have a single non working adult and benefit capped. Even all 3 claims together would be under 80k

@drifter104 @EssexgoonerMr x.com/basilthegreat/…

@JordanC25253124 @Marco_mmabjj @EssexgoonerMr Come on think for yourself. Try it. There is nothing to lose but 10minutes and you'll learn something that the rhetoric doesn't teach you.

@JordanC25253124 @Marco_mmabjj @EssexgoonerMr You haven't provided anything. You copy and pasted some Ai nonsense and an article that compares a family with no disabilities with a family with disabilities. Use turn2us. Put in the same figures in the article but for 2 child family include a disability.

@JordanC25253124 @Marco_mmabjj @EssexgoonerMr Now answer the question. Without Ai. Come on do a bit of thinking for yourself.

@drifter104 @Marco_mmabjj @EssexgoonerMr health conditions, and most capped households lose only a portion of their income rather than exceeding it significantly. For more details, visit GOV.UK. 2/2

@JordanC25253124 @Marco_mmabjj @EssexgoonerMr That's a big swing and a miss. Pip is £80 p/w Dla is £184 p/w (max) but you get pip or dla not both. Attendance allowance is for pensioners £114. Even if you combine all those you don't get anywhere near 81k.

@drifter104 @Marco_mmabjj @EssexgoonerMr I suggest you educate yourself. Benefits Not Included in the Cap: These benefits are ignored when the government calculates if you have reached the cap limit:  Disability Benefits: Personal Independence Payment (PIP), Disability Living Allowance, and Attendance Allowance.

@JordanC25253124 @EssexgoonerMr 1. The hypothetical 2+2 family would likely get UC (they never include that) 2. They compare 2+2 family with a 2+3 where the 1 of the 3 has a disability. 3. They never compare like for like. The hypothetical family always has a health element. Do you understand why?

@drifter104 @EssexgoonerMr See my post further up centreforsocialjustice.org.uk/newsroom/post-…

@Marco_mmabjj @EssexgoonerMr Educate yourself. The 3600 is fact. Not opinion. It is a set amount. Plus if they aren't working they are benefit capped. They won't get over 21k or 26k (London) Total.

@drifter104 @EssexgoonerMr Rent is much more . Folks in London are given houses 2000-2500pcm So you get 30k in rent + 10k child at least

@Skorge1960 @sophielouisecc No I can't explain it because it is wrong. Child UC account is 303. So just over 3600 per year. Assuming they are working of course because otherwise they will likely see none of that

@drifter104 @sophielouisecc Thanks for the reply Mike. Can you explain then that on this mornings news they have said that people with 3 kids will be getting an extra £4k per year from today? If I need to take home an extra £4k I need to earn a lot more than that with tax and NI

Tomorrow the state is going to force us all to pay for other people to have children they can’t afford Meaning we cannot afford to have children ourselves This is the state of modern Britain - young people are forced to pay for other people to have the privileges they work for but can’t afford

@BrexitDuck No they haven't. They get an extra 303p/m. That's just over 3600. This isn't even complicated, it is a set amount, it takes a couple to look uo

A family of 2 parents and 3 kids on benefits have just had a £4100 rise a year. Let that sink in.