@maghribii16 Ghomara in this period were not described as Masmuda , the first chronicler to describe Ghomara as Masmuda was ibn khaldun in the 14th century , Ghomara settled in Cuenca where a town still carries their name
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@sonofgetulia Ce sont des Masmoudas mais pas forcément issues du Haut Atlas. Les Banu Faraj peuvent très bien provenir des Ghomaras ou des Masmoudas des plaines.
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The similarity between the castle of Medinaceli ( left ) and the Kasbah of Ait Zelten ( right )
Medinaceli a city north east of Madrid 🇪🇸 it was named after Selim ibn War'al the ancestor of Banu Faraj , a Masmuda family who participated in the Muslim conquest of Al Andalus with Tariq ibn Ziyad and the castle was built in the 9th century
The Kasbah of Ait Zelten belongs to the Masmuda chleuh confederation of Ihahan
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@muslimfamily83 I did not claim he is from Tlemcen , from Tlemcen implies that he was in Tlemcen in the moment this specific event happened , it's common that he was of Andalusian origins
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@sonofgetulia أبو مدين أندلسي الأصل وعاش في سبتة وفاس قبل أن ينتقل لبجاية حيث أقام زاويته
و لا علاقة له بتلمسان إلا إنه توفي نواحيها أثناء رحلته إلى مراكش تلبية لدعوة يعقوب المنصور
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In the time of the Almohads an illustrious scholar from Tlemcen named Abu Medyen was preparing to travel to the East , however sadness took him over as he had a dark skinned concubine with whom he had a son which he feared leaving behind with no one to take care of
one of his students from the Souss , Abdelrazzaq Al Jazuli proposed that he marries her instead and take care of his son , which took Abu Medyen by shock as he replied to him :
" You would marry her knowing that it is a shame for the Masmouda to marry a Habesha ( Black ) woman ? "
to which Abdelrazzaq replied :
" My lord i have no desire to do such thing , i would only do it for your sake alone ."
TheMauretanian@TMauretanian
Almoravids, and especially Almohads, prized white skin as a symbol of purity. Children born to Black mothers had no legal rights or inheritance. Even the name of the Almohads’ first capital, Tinmel, reflects this: it translates as "the place of the pure ones/the whites."
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Another Almohad elite Yusuf ibn Wanudin also is mentioned with him from Imlil , his descendant Abdallah ibn Wanudin would lead a last effort in the battles of the Almohads against the Merinids , he managed to ally with Banu Askar a clan of Merinids and Arabs against the Merinid Hamama clan their main rival , but he was betrayed and they all turned on his army . (4/4)
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12th century chronicler Al Baydhaq describing Ibn Tumart's voyage in the High Atlas :
" we arrived to the town of Armed ( Aroumd ) into the house of Abderrahman Akessid he ( ibn tumart ) build a mosque in it and we stayed there the winter then he went to Tifnout of Hintata and then into Imlil and into the house of Faskat Ibn Yahya known as Omar Inti , then into izouggār (Tizi Zouggart) and from it into Jumu'a of Mezzin ( Mezzik ) " . (3/4)
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Les Marocains Noirs@LeMarocNoir
@sonofgetulia Être d’origine servile n’empêche pas d’appartenir à une tribu. La preuve en est avec le fils de Wasnar qui porta la Nisba « Al-Harghi » de la tribu des Hargha à laquelle appartenait Ibn Toumert malgré le fait qu’il soit le fils d’un esclave noir. books.openedition.org/pumi/12063
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Ibn Tumart was not of mixed race both his father and mother are Chleuh Masmouda .
According to Almohad era historian " Al Mu'jab " his father's origins are from Arghen , a Chleuh tribe from Masmouda in the Souss , as for his mother she is from Messkala or Imesskalen from is Ait Youssef which is another Masmuda tribe who lived in the Souss
Another 12th century Almohad historian " Al Baydhaq " mentioned Meskala his mother's tribe as part of the Tinmallal Almohad tribes , today this tribe is found east of Tinmel in a place called after them " Tizi n Iskalen " and another region South of Tinmel is also named " Dou Iskalen " they are near Ait Tadrart which is another tribe of Tinmellal mentioned by al baydhaq 1000 years ago
As for his complexion , historical descriptions of many Muslim chroniclers agree on him having a " Reddish color "
Les Marocains Noirs@LeMarocNoir
🧵• Ibn Toumert, fondateur des Almohades était un métis ? C’est en tout cas ce qu’avance l’histoire Mehdi Ghouirgate, spécialiste des Almohades dans « Réflexions autour du nom Ibn-Tumart ». Il s’appuie sur 3 indications données par divers écrits sur la mère du "Mahdi" :
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The village mentioned by ibn qattan is Ait Semeg / Ait Wa'abdi , near it is Dou Iskal which is literally ( Under Meskala ) Ait Semeg are part of Genfissa , and they are not black , it's a name that refers to worshippers or loyal servants of god mentioned many times by Almohads, and it is common among chleuh villages
in Almohad chronicles people of Black heritage were either described as " Aswad " or " Khelasi " which meant Mixed
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@sonofgetulia The name of their village is litteraly Asru n’Yisemgan.
Les Marocains Noirs@LeMarocNoir
1 - Son village d’origine : Ibn al-Qattan dans « Kitab al-Ansan » indique que la famille maternelle d’Ibn Toumert était installée au village "d’Asrū n’Isemgan" qui signifie Le piton des noirs/esclaves.
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@LeMarocNoir @Jin_Sakkai @oukrom2703 There are 3 different islamic authors that state her Maskali origin Ibn al Qattan is just one of them
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@sonofgetulia @Jin_Sakkai @oukrom2703 Comme Ghouirgate le dit dans « Réflexion sur le nom d’Ibn Toumert », le nassab Al- Masakkali a été rajouté dans la marge du manuscrit avec une autre entre que celle du corps du texte et qu’il se peut qu’il s’agisse d’un rajout réalisé par un autre copiste. shs.cairn.info/revue-etudes-e…
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I don't take from Ghouirgate , i take from the original sources that you intentionaly did not mention , also Ibn Tumart's mother has no link to blacks there are 3 different books that state her origin from Meskala
Yburk traces it's origin from Baraka , same for names like Ya'zza
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@sonofgetulia En tout cas c’est drôle de voir à quelle point vous êtes hypocrites car quand il s’agit de prendre ce qui vous arrange dans les travaux de Ghouirgate vous y allez mais quand ce qu’il dit vous dérange vous devenez bizarrement bien plus critiques^^
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@Chillima666 It's a typical trait of all mediterranean populations esp Chleuhs
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@sonofgetulia I would add that a red (aḥmar) skin is a fair skin, that’s how romans were described
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@Jin_Sakkai @oukrom2703 He mentions ibn Al qattan but ignores the part where he says that she's from Meskala of Ahl Souss , clear attempt of fraud
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@sonofgetulia @oukrom2703 Really good work.The guy quoted is stupid and only refers to fraudulent sources
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@sonofgetulia Some crazy people think that the Jazuliyyin were blacks
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Betrayal
The Aragonese would see the daylight from a man called Ibn Abbad a Majorcan who defected to them , this man owned an estate in the island and decided to take a big portion of the island with him , as soon as his defection was clear other parts of the island follower course
both muslim and christian sources highlight the betrayal of Ibn Abbad as a major event in the war and a decisive factor in the outcome of the entire war , the Muslims that would defect with Ibn Abbad would be later on enslaved by the Aragonese state the islamic sources
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