Say Forever!

Make a poster or approach people with “How long do you want to live?” survey!

This!

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I see no other way to extend life than by changing our attitude towards the idea of immortality. Towards the very word itself, towards the desire to live forever, towards openly stating that death is unacceptable. We will achieve nothing if we don’t speak the truth, if we choose compromise, if we try to please those who don’t like us. Not wanting to die is normal. It’s the stance of a sensible, reasonable person. Seeing the prospects of immortality in technology is a rational view of the world. Striving to reduce the number of deaths at any cost is the truly humane position—and no other. Those among us who scold us and claim there’s another tactic—that we should tell people what they want to hear about health improvements—overlook the fact that this tactic has already been used for the past 40 years and it failed. Just show that supporters of immortality are very rational people: IT engineers, AI developers, individuals competent in many other areas. Right now, immortality has a weak brand. In fact, it has none. We need to distance ourselves from all sorts of dietary supplements and the desire to age gracefully. We need intellectual courage to tell ourselves and those around us what we are doing and why. For nothing less than survival!

If you don't want eternal life, then what do you want? What are your terminal goals/values? What are you ultimately aiming for? What is your existence reduced to? My point is that there is no worthy alternative to eternal life. At best, you'll just want to live forever under condition X. This could be, for example, health or happiness. But the truth is that maximizing lifespan involves not just health or happiness, but becoming techno-gods, conquerors of galaxies, beings of entirely new intellectual horizons. In the short term, in theory, it may be necessary to sacrifice something, but eternity is worth it. In practice, I think that the pursuit of eternity is a win-win. We will not lose anything, we will only gain. It is very unlikely that efforts to prolong life will lead to prolongation of an unhealthy period of life, most likely the opposite. And the willingness to be unhappy makes happy. There is nothing that so clearly points the way for humanity and for each individual in particular as immortalism.

Why U.S. presidential candidates don’t talk about life extension is understandable; voters aren’t demanding increased longevity. But why does the longevity community say so little about the importance of a candidate’s position on aging research? Even a small community can influence an agenda if it is active. No one from the longevity community is traveling to Pennsylvania to canvass voters to support a pro-longevity candidate. There are no petitions demanding increased funding. Why? 1.There is no clear recognition that life extension is a political issue. 2.There is a lack of desire within our community to collaborate. Why? Because there is little discussion about the best collective course of action for advancing life extension. Everyone is busy promoting their own projects, and others’ projects are seen as competitors. There is almost no money in lobbying and political promotion of life extension. Where there is no money, there is no desire to spend time talking. This results in a paradoxical situation. Collecting, say, 50 million dollars in a fund for scientific research sets the benchmark that this fund can solve the problem of aging. But that’s absurd. That money could go toward longevity policy. However, this approach fosters overoptimism and the illusion that a cure for aging will be developed imminently. Here’s the dichotomy: If we are overly optimistic, we might believe that no policy change is necessary, focusing solely on who can develop a cure for aging the fastest. If we believe that existing technologies cannot defeat aging, we must maximize political efforts. Why can’t we do both? Again, because of a lack of honest discussion. We must consistently find the courage and persistence to engage in this dialogue. Otherwise, even in the next election, the theme of life extension will not appear in the rhetoric of the candidates.

@optimismofwill_ SI as super intelligence? Why are you concerned about it specifically on this page where ppl are advocating for life extension biotech research?

@SayForeverOrg You’ve said nothing about SI x-risks.

“Death gives life meaning, too much of good things is unbearable”—this kind of escapism stops humanity from developing life extending technologies. Strangely enough, saving lives is both the basic of human ethics and something that humanity fights off, both in rhetoric and in practice 🤦‍♀️

Transhumanism is about using technology to advance humans and solve their current problems. Meaning, not waiting for evolution to fix it (or not!) for future generations but rather using our intellect NOW. Wearing glasses is transhumanism. Going through surgery is transhumanism. You are already living as an advanced being, not the way “nature made you” (assuming that human’s intelligence is not natural which is kinda funny). Any technology can be used as an evil or benevolent tool. Transhumanism at least has a goal to advance and use technology to end human suffering. And since aging and death are major causes of human suffering, it focuses on these.

@SayForeverOrg I’d like to ask you the same thing 😂 Merging with computers will inevitably lead to upgrading into super-intelligences. How could it not? As if there won’t be one or a group of SIs whose goal will be destroying all others to build the most power to expand and grow?

@MikhailBatin @LBF_org Now let’s hope ppl scanned the QR code… but sticking on the nice and clean indoor walls is not endorsed 😅

@SayForeverOrg @LBF_org someone stuck it right on the wall where the RAAD conference was taking place

More of our stickers at the @LBF_org camp in California this summer (hope you run into those on your city)

@optimismofwill_ What exactly do you think transhumanism is about?

@SayForeverOrg If it’s going to lead to the kind of technology which has a substantial risk of ending humanity, which is what transhumanism leads to, then yes I will fight that with every fiber of my being.