Matt Wilson

Here you are saying gum disease is a risk factor for CVD, and there’s another with you saying inflammation is a primary driver of CVD. So my question is still, why do you hold LDL to a different standard? I already know the answer, because I used to do the same thing, but it’s something you should realize yourself. x.com/rev_insulin_re…

@stringerbell99 @RobertM40897248 No, it is not fine. We cannot lower the bar just because we don't have better evidence. See it as you wish. I won't engage in this discussion any further.

Oh boy, you still cannot navigate observational studies. I am not a doctor, yet I understand that observational studies, no matter how much you like the results, can never establish causality. Yep, never ever. Sorry about that.

@REV_Insulin_Res @RobertM40897248 No, it’s based on hard data points.

@stringerbell99 @RobertM40897248 Strongly correlated is just another opinion.

And that’s not a good characterization of Mendelian randomization studies. They use genetic SNP’s that are strongly correlated with high or low lifetime cholesterol levels with hundreds of thousands of data points as a proxy for lifetime levels. This cancels out a lot of the noise you see in observational studies like reverse causation and gives a clear picture of the increased risk.

You mean when they study gene snippets and don't even bother to measure LDL? Please understand, I am not saying LDL doesn't matter. I am saying science cannot establish a causal relationship between LDL and heart disease. I agree that we cannot do lifelong RCTs. But not being able to do that does not mean we can settle for lower evidence.

There’s no way to do a lifelong randomized controlled trial with 10,000s of thousands of people, but we can do Mendelian randomization studies that compare genetic mutations that cause lifelong high or low LDL. They show a clear linear risk between lifelong LDL exposure and cardiovascular mortality. It’s a key piece of evidence that’s also confirmed by observational data and randomized controlled trials. I guess according to your logic there are no known risk factors for heart disease? Or do you hold LDL to a different standard than other risk factors because it’s more convenient to your beliefs?

@stringerbell99 @RobertM40897248 It is about a scientific method, not belief.

@millepun @ifixhearts God didn’t create us to be diabetic or obese or a smoker, etc either. These are some of the other risk factors for heart disease.

@stringerbell99 @ifixhearts Many people doing healthy diet and life style, great metabloic health and low imflammatory marker. But still have high LDL. If LDL turely an isolated risk factor, and still require a human-made drug to low it, then God didnt make human right.

Why do I end up doing heart surgery on so many patients who have a normal cholesterol level and who aren't obviously obese? That question led me to go back to the basic science and to understand the importance of metabolic health.

@millepun @ifixhearts No, what’s wrong is our modern way of life. The modern hunter gather groups that still live a traditional lifestyle generally have LDL in the 50-85mg/dl range and very rarely develop heart disease. All other primates are in this range as well.

@REV_Insulin_Res @RobertM40897248 If you believe that, you either haven’t examined it or you’re choosing to deny it because it’s more convenient.

@stringerbell99 @RobertM40897248 Risk requires cause and effect. That has not been established for LDL.

@millepun @ifixhearts High LDL is most definitely a risk factor, if that’s what you’re trying to say.

@stringerbell99 @ifixhearts What about if we had the risk factor wrong?

@REV_Insulin_Res @RobertM40897248 That’s well established by other literature, but there are many other risk factors as well. Whatever your risk level, high LDL only ever raises your risk.

@stringerbell99 @RobertM40897248 I’ll admit, finding populations with low LDL without statins is surprising. They don’t represent all non-modern groups, but still. That said, this is observational data. It does not establish causality between LDL levels and heart disease.

@REV_Insulin_Res @RobertM40897248 jacc.org/doi/10.1016/j.…

@stringerbell99 @RobertM40897248 Can you back that claim?

@Backto198433421 @bakrantz @KenDBerryMD Just post the links then. I'm not going to go watch a video to make your point for you.

@stringerbell99 @bakrantz @KenDBerryMD The YouTube videos have embedded links ! If you viewed them!

If there was even a shred of curiosity or academic integrity in the nutrition research space, researchers would be falling over themselves to study this self-selected group of carnivores! Why don't they develop scurvy? Why isn't there a heart disease spike in Carnivores? Shouldn't they develop Type 2 Diabetes at higher rates? Colon cancer rate hockey-stick? Rampant inflammation (measurable) ? Pounds of meat rotting in their colon? Nothing?? Remember, "they" keep telling us that one extra egg/day increases risk. 2 ounces of red meat increases risk. CARNIVORES EAT 2 POUNDS OF MEAT AND A DOZEN EGGS/DAY! Shouldn't the signal be off the charts??

@Backto198433421 @bakrantz @KenDBerryMD You just keep moving the goalposts to something new and include a YouTube link. 😆

@stringerbell99 @bakrantz @KenDBerryMD OMG stop spreading your dung in public it stinks! Your posts are full of it in a vacuous stream of opinions, whilst my posts have links supporting my post thesis ! Grow up!

@REV_Insulin_Res @RobertM40897248 All of the modern groups still living a traditional hunter gatherer lifestyle have LDL in the 50-85mg/dl range. Doesn’t seem to be a problem for them. They also don’t get heart disease.

@RobertM40897248 He expects people to maintain LDL levels that cannot be achieved without statins. At least not for most people. How did humans ever survive as a species.

@Backto198433421 @bakrantz @KenDBerryMD Who cares anything about Ancel keys? You argue against more irrelevant points that nobody made than anyone. The Mediterranean diet is thoroughly researched and well proven. I understand that’s not your wheelhouse. You prefer some random person telling it’s good on YouTube.

@stringerbell99 @bakrantz @KenDBerryMD My point if YOU could comprehend the English language is that the so called Mediterranean diet is BS ! Ancel Keys the mass murderer and liar is cheering ! He did his “study “ during lent!

@SamaHoole Wild animals are lean. 🙄

If you're just starting carnivore, or you're thinking about it, here is the only thing you actually need to know: Fat is not optional. Fat is not a concession. Fat is not something to nervously add a little of and see how it goes. Fat is the entire mechanism. Your body runs on glucose or it runs on fat. These are genuinely different fuel systems with different hormonal environments, different energy characteristics, and different downstream effects on your mood, hunger, and body composition. You cannot run the fat system on lean meat. You will feel terrible and blame the diet. Choose the fattiest cuts you can find. Ribeye over sirloin. Lamb shoulder over lamb leg. 20% mince over 5% mince. Chuck over fillet. If you're cooking ground beef and there's fat in the pan at the end, stir it back in. Add butter. Add tallow. Add double cream to scrambled eggs. Don't drain the fat away and then wonder why you're hungry in two hours. This is the fuel source that made us human. Literally. The archaeological record is very clear on this: our brains grew, our guts shrank, and our cognitive capacity expanded in direct proportion to our access to large, fatty ruminant animals. We are, in a very specific biological sense, the product of animal fat. The fear of it is recent. The food pyramid is sixty years old. Your genome is two and a half million years old. Trust the older document.

@Positive_Dennis @ifixhearts He won't answer because it doesn't help him sell books.

@ifixhearts So how many of them are already on statins?

Half of the patients I operate on have normal to low cholesterol levels

@JamesWarli50188 @AboundLifeCo @ifixhearts There's no benefit to high LDL

@AboundLifeCo @ifixhearts They made their LDL low when it should be high. Not treating the underlying cause.

@TrentDJ023 @cbaxmas @KenDBerryMD @grok Haha, you think you're smarter than AI? 😂 There are tons of places you can look it up, I was just helping you out here because it became clear you weren't actually going to do that. Stay ignorant if you prefer.

@stringerbell99 @cbaxmas @KenDBerryMD @grok 🤣The guy who said "Why don’t you try just looking it up" goes to an adolescent artificial "intelligence" that makes up BS, if it doesn't know the party line BS.🤡