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@factaurial @BenjaminEPark Vaccines Anti-Vaxxers 🤝 up in arms

@TemplarWing1 My apologies. When my offline life gets busier, twitter is usually the first ball to drop. But I have not forgotten about our conversation; I'm gonna take some time today to put an answer together.

@tannrtodd ??

I will never doubling down and anything the prophets have said or will say. Brigham Young did nothing wrong. These people do not believe that God is in control and will look over the entirety of the bible. They will say "God is not in control because the prophets did X"

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Brace yourselves, I'm gonna start a Wordle thread.

@tanner__wallace @JosiahReckons Very well said

@JosiahReckons which is an absolutely fair perspective. the trouble is when racist policies are conflated with a perceived lack of individual racism and thus the second is used to excuse the first.

this whole Brad Wilcox thing is making very clear that we have several competing definitions of racism and we'll never resolve anything by yelling over each other's heads

@Mormonger Without taking the time to drag in specific quotes and examples, I'm talking about the people I'm sure we've both seen who say that BW's words and delivery were justified and that an apology wasn't necessary.

@tannrtodd I'm not disagreeing with you here, just curious, who are the people doubling down? What did they say?

A reminder: ◽Within hours, the church's official newsroom disavowed BW's comments. ◽Within hours, the church-owned newspaper published an article explaining exactly why BW's comments were out of line. ◽Within hours, BW did his best at an apology for the harm he caused.

@ThoughtfulSaint In order for us to not talk past each other on this, I need to do some setting up. I actually already started doing so with another person on this thread. Can you read through this and the following tweets and let me know if we can agree on this premise? twitter.com/tannrtodd/stat…

@tannrtodd And what did he say that was wrong?

@prezstar2 @ArInstructor BYU is another church-affiliated source that swiftly denounced his comments, and the gospel topics essay clearly takes a different approach. Being as dismissive of genuine questions as he was is clearly out of line when compared to any recent official church publication.

@tannrtodd @ArInstructor I’ve researched and found that Deseret News and Church News were the only church affiliated sources who talked about his statements. Elder Wilcox said what was in line as has been taught, I’ll refer to President Oaks BYU devotional from Oct 20’.

Remember, Elder Holland never apologized for anything he said because he was right. Never apologize to the mob who’s bent on destroying you. Expect fire when you stand by our Father and Savior.

@ArInstructor @prezstar2 Thank you for taking the time to dig into this a little bit. Twitter isn't really made for thoughtful conversation but it is kinda nice when it happens haha

@tannrtodd @prezstar2 Perfect example. Thank you, well said

@JaromJay @ArInstructor @prezstar2 I agree that more transparency would be nice.

@tannrtodd @ArInstructor @prezstar2 Why cant they just come out and tell us why they did it then? I think people are looking for transparency and all we get is fluff or nonsense like from Brad. To me lack of transparency is more troubling then this.

@TemplarWing1 That was a lot of background. But if we're ok to start from this premise, I can try to answer your question about where I personally think Brad Wilcox went wrong. 4/4

@TemplarWing1 The point here though is that a well-informed moral judgment draws from all five dimensions. By the way, these questions are drawn from Jonathan Haidt's Moral Foundations Theory, which I highly recommend looking into. 3/

@ArInstructor @prezstar2 Therefore, we can choose the side of progress regardless of what the "mob" wants. Just because they are for something doesn't mean you must be against it. What matters is what cues we are picking up from official church sources combined with the whisperings of the spirit. 4/4

@ArInstructor @prezstar2 In the case of Brad Wilcox's comments, I think between church resources (such as the gospel topics essay) and the swift response from several official church entities, it is clear that his delivery was not in line with the church's current approach to the subject. 3/

@pauljewkes21 @BrighamDynamite @ArInstructor My quarrel here in the original tweet is with anyone who would say that BW was right to say what he did and that an apology wasn't necessary. If that group does not include you, then we have enough in common on this subject for our purposes here. 2/2

@pauljewkes21 @BrighamDynamite @ArInstructor I never said anything about doctrine. I can see the point that BW was trying to make, but his delivery caused serious harm and was not in line with the Church's current approach to the issue. He implied assumptions about doctrine that the church does not affirm. 1/2

@ArInstructor @prezstar2 This is why it is so important to use official church statements, words of current prophets and apostles, and impressions from the holy ghost as a yardstick to measure whether or not something should change. Not just looking to the opposing side and taking cues from them.

@tannrtodd @prezstar2 It’s simple, you have members that sustain the apostles of the Church. And then you have “members” that criticize doctrine/apostles/policy. All in the same of “progression” especially when it comes to the progress of sexual liberating society. We are far from Zion.