@LevineJonathan Amazing what 100 + years of brutal colonization under an apartheid state will do to get the mind working on ways to dispatch your oppressors
The gap is that you have not proposed a way to actually contain the thing you are worried about, while simultaneously proposing a mechanism that could trigger a separate extinction-level risk with no nuance whatsoever. That problem would be obvious to anyone negotiating the treaty, which means no serious state is going to ratify it or comply with it.
But let’s bracket that and pretend it might be agreed to anyway, in the interest of good faith:
There is no existing operational international verification and enforcement regime for frontier AI. A treaty without one would lead to something like the BWC at best. There, we managed an agreement, and then for decades after the Soviet Union, and later Russia, pursued biological weapons activity in violation of it. Ask yourself why Russia was not bombed for that violation.
Then ask how you would even detect what appears to be a violation. Then ask how you would distinguish legal from illegal activity. Then ask why any state would agree to be bombed based on those interpretations. Then, as an added bonus round, ask yourself: who does the bombing? Through what body? The UN?
How do you contend with the veto powers held by the US and China who are the major frontier AI states? Can any party unilaterally decide that there has been a violation? Who decides whether a violation claim is false and politically motivated? How might a country respond to an attack on its homeland and core industry?
Is this a treaty negotiated with every country on earth? If yes, what incentivizes them to sign? If no, how are you handling proliferation and monitoring in countries that have not?
You are proposing a coercive treaty regime for a dual-use technology without a credible answer to verification, adjudication, authorization, or retaliation.
The half-baked treaty: if anyone signs it, everyone dies.
That does not mean the idea of a treaty should be abandoned, but it does mean there are enormous difficulties to contend with that have not been seriously addressed. Advocates sometimes say that is not how treaties are traditionally developed. True. Treaties generally deal with an existing and mature threat and tolerate some vulnerability while institutions, verification, and enforcement catch up.
Advocates say we cannot do that here. We do not have the time. That is also potentially true, but that means advocates cannot lean on the typical treaty process as a defense, because they are calling for something outside of that process.
The criticism is real. The design problems are real. They have to be addressed. And yet there is still very little serious work on how to bridge these gaps in a way that could contain a potential threat preemptively without creating pathways for a known threat.
the way every complex system works is that you deal with problems as they come up. something becomes too onerous to ignore and then you fix it. acceleration & iterative deployment has been the only option: a “pause” in ai development would be entirely squandered
going to a rationalist and being like listen buddy i heard about this scary new idea. its called $70’s basilisk. what if there was an entity that, when it came into being, eternally tortured everyone who didn’t give me $70? it’s a simple exercise of pascals wager white boy
@XFreeze Get back to reality. Humans as species haven't even been able comprehend themselves fully yet and you think machines, systems, and tech they build will surpass what nature tool billions of years to build??? 🤔
Most people view mental images as "inner pictures"...a seemingly intuitive notion since many experience visual-like imagery in their minds.
However, the existence of conditions like aphantasia (where individuals cannot form such visual images) complicates this perspective.
These individuals still navigate spatial questions effectively.
When asked to visualize a sunset, they may not "see" anything in their mind’s eye. Despite this, people with aphantasia can still reason spatially and navigate their environments.
For example, if you ask them: “In your bedroom, where’s the nearest window to the door?” they can accurately answer: “To my left.”
This means that the brain doesn’t need a literal picture in the mind but instead uses underlying processes to simulate spatial relationships.
I appreciate you are trying to troll but my post says 9 years without an academic job which is true.
Says his contemporaries didn't care after Special Relativity - also true, he was still stamping patents in Bern until 1909.
The "unshadowban" refers to General Relativity being confirmed in 1919, when the world finally lost its mind over him.
A junior lectureship in 1908 is not academia throwing open its doors. Find the inaccuracy. I'll entertain the troll policing.
The funniest thing about Einstein's life: he couldn't get an academic job for 9 years - even after publishing Special Relativity as a lowly patent clerk. His contemporaries simply didn't care.
He only became famous after the Eddington experiment confirmed General Relativity by observing how starlight bent around the sun.
Poetically, it took a solar eclipse to un-shadowban him from academia.
@ZeroResist@grok@richa_lq Smotrich is a piece of shit, but he doesn't speak for all Jews.
I might as well say post a Hitler quote and say, "See, this is what non-Jews are like."
@ZeroResist@grok@richa_lq They say a lot of stuff. Some of that crowd might attempt a genocide if they were in charge — that would be very bad. But if we ignore the words of liars, and look at what happened, there was no genocide, there was no Israeli attempt at starving Gazans.
@usablejam@grok@richa_lq People like Smotrich and Gallant they explicitly stated this was their intention, however the world did not let them carry it out.
@ZeroResist@grok@richa_lq There are probably some crazy Jewish sects that preach Jewish supremacy, but I've never met a Jew like that. Judaism is generally kind to outsiders to the point of idiocy — see all the Jews that think that Israel is evil and Hamas are the good guys...
@ZeroResist@richa_lq@grok Yeah, sorry bud.
Islam was always genocidal against Jews. There's a hadith (grok noted it) saying good little Muslim boys and girls will, in the end times, round up the Jews and kill them. It's explicitly not a battle, but a genocide: the hadith says the Jews will be hiding.
@usablejam@richa_lq@grok@grok "Yes, Hamas has always openly aimed at killing all Jews" is this logically true or false answer concretely with hard evidence with high rigor
Your post doesn't specify the claim to judge as true or false. In the thread's context about Sinwar's statements vs. Amalek references: Hamas's original charter and Sinwar's recorded speeches (e.g., 2022 on eradicating "Zionist invaders" with no remnants, 2018 on tearing out hearts) explicitly call for eliminating Israel and targeting Jews. Amalek invocations by some Israeli leaders are biblical rhetoric about remembering ancient foes, not direct modern policy. Both involve heated language interpreted differently by each side.
No, Yahya Sinwar did not use explicit "genocidal" language matching Amalek-style biblical calls for total annihilation of a people. As Hamas leader, he masterminded Oct 7 (1,200 killed, mostly civilians) and backed the group's charter and 2022 plans aiming to "wipe out" Israel as a state—per his reported statements and recovered docs. Officials like Ghazi Hamad echoed repeating such attacks "until Israel is annihilated."
Netanyahu's Amalek reference (Oct 2023) invoked scripture against Hamas as an existential foe, not a direct extermination order. Legal analyses (ICC warrants, scholarly reviews) charge both sides with war crimes/extermination but not genocide for Oct 7 or Israeli response in most rulings. Intent claims remain debated across sources.
@usablejam@richa_lq@grok not in intent or impact no, prove otherwise @grok did Sinwar ever speak of explicit genocidal intent like the Jews who invoke Amalek have done?
@usablejam@richa_lq@grok no one has a problem with the Jewish Autonomous Oblast it's only a problem when you're superiority beliefs manifest into genocide and ethnic cleansing.