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@Earthmine52107 @darkdefective Shame we don't explore any of that and give more context to the lore behind these two. Sadly Gunn crammed so many filler that neither of the themes and points are explored in depth, and Krypton sucks more according to Byrne fanboy James Gunn so there you go. Find a job.

@Luthor1940 @darkdefective -painted as a representative of the US, or anything other than himself, and that Jarhanpur’s past does not define it. The movie’s themes and points are clear, both Earth and Krypton can suck, but Superman chooses to see good in them and do good himself regardless.

@Earthmine52107 @darkdefective Woman of Tomorrow sucks balls. Framing all of that as a human thing against Lex's piece of alien mindset, no matter how much you twist it, Gunn wanted it that way. Another topic that the movie didn't bother to give any more depth and just serves as a background thing with NPCs.

@Luthor1940 @darkdefective -coping with that trauma, in a wrong but very “human” way). Again back to the speech, it’s not at all about Earth’s culture or effect on him, but his own personal emotions, agency and soul. Even earlier in the film in relation to Boravia and Jarhanpur, he refused to be-

@Earthmine52107 @darkdefective You don't have any of that. Gunn himself is ironically racist for its portrayal of a fictional alien civilization. It paints her negatively as a disrespectful drunk that also bastardizes WoT because she gets drunk during the events of that story, NOT BEFORE.

@Luthor1940 @darkdefective -maintain both bluntness and respect in contrast to the others responding to you. What others said is right, to think the film paints all Kryptonians as rapist conquerors is itself ironically racist. It does not portray Kara that way (and her being drunk is part of WoT/her -

@Earthmine52107 @darkdefective I'm not bro of such dishonest lying hypocrites like you, I don't want anything with you. It needed to be good first but the movie was born dead. Yet you still defend with your own life that bastardization by trying to twist the message into something it isn't and wasn't intended.

@Luthor1940 @darkdefective Bro that’s not what the movie or speech says AT ALL. Maybe the speech needed to be more explicit after all. I already honestly said from the start I didn’t like their version of Jor-El, which you dishonestly and hypocritically have not acknowledged, along with my efforts to-

@Earthmine52107 @darkdefective It's a bad message, badly written, badly acted and badly executed no matter how much you cope, lie and twist it. You don't have any respect or intelectual honesty, stop saying and stop projecting because its YOUR arrogance and insincerity that shows you don't understand him.

@Luthor1940 @darkdefective How can you say it’s a bad message when you literally don’t seem to know what that message is even when it’s spelled out for you? All due respect, your arrogance and refusal to see my points even as I do or show sincerity shows you don’t know Superman.

@Earthmine52107 @darkdefective I'm not bro of dishonest lying posers like you. Stop projecting and coping, YOU're the one who refuses to acknowledge that the message is badly written and done, and its issues are born from Gunn hating Superman and being obligued to do this movie, you misunderstand everything.

@Luthor1940 @darkdefective Bro I literally early on and now did give the film its faults and even agreed on some points, if you bothered reading. You’re the one who continued to refuse to acknowledge a point I gave from the start you actually ironically helped prove as you continue to misunderstand it.

@Earthmine52107 @darkdefective You don't have any respect, dude, you're yet another dishonest poser who doesn't know this character and goes at great lenghs to defend an actually bad movie and misrepresentation of a fictional character they didn't create, all of your "arguments" are excuses, stop projecting.

@Luthor1940 @darkdefective All due respect sir, you’re the one who can’t find good arguments to respond with that you forget the points the other person already gave so you can continue to badmouth a film you couldn’t even bare minimum at least understand first.

@Earthmine52107 @darkdefective Smallville didn't. At the cost of ruining Superman's other half of his character and mythos. Better nothing if I'm being honest.

@Luthor1940 @darkdefective The DCEU follows this trend, even Smallville did. So no, unfortunately it took this long to have a live-action Superman who chose to be Superman all on his own agency.

@Earthmine52107 @darkdefective The first opportunity he has to redeem all of that and he butchers Krypton for no reason. Sounds like Superman doing his own choices and then learning those choices have consequences and being reminded that he has a big responsability, even so the Donner cut's events get erased.

@Luthor1940 @darkdefective In cinema, unfortunately not. Even Donner, especially in Superman II, has it so Jor-El pushes him to be Superman and he ultimately chose to gave up his powers and responsibility as a hero to be with Lois, which Jor rightly calls out as selfish and which he admits (Donner cut).

@Eljhonny452 Ignorant batcucks showing how much they hate and can't understand Superman. Stick to battyman instead of saying dumb ignorant bullshit about a character you don't know shit about.

Why would he learn a language that no one on earth would know? He thought his race went extinct he had no reason to learn it

@Outer_bounds Stick to anime and manga, comic book media and characters aren't for you otaku. Take a bath.

@GraeF0xx @Eljhonny452 The only kryptonian he has any access to or knowledge of is the message his parents sent down with him at best he could learn that but how pray tell would he learn a language that he literally does not have anything on at all beyond one short video

@Jhhuynh42 Gunn's Superman was simply born dead, because of his own uninterest and lack of understanding and knowledge of this character, all of these issues would be avoided if we got a "Matt Reeves" for Superman.

@TheMoodyTrues @Eljhonny452 You mean Kara who's spaceship Superman just cracked open and meeting it's occupation for the FIRST TIME?

@Outer_bounds Gunn's Superman was born dead.

@TheMoodyTrues @Eljhonny452 He literally just met Kara in the clip we see, yeah he might learn kryptonian sure but how would he know kryptonian if he literally has only ever heard the language from one short video his parents sent with him

@LCQualey @Eljhonny452 Leave that cynical and nihilist shit to yourself, thankfully Superman isn't a mentally ill psychopath like you.

@Eljhonny452 Do these people think the Final Earth Child is going to bother learning any of OUR dead languages after we destroy our planet?

@Earthmine52107 @darkdefective Earth represents the person and Krypton the thing. One is portrayed as good one and the other as bad, in which they explicitedly are rapist conquerors and killers. No, supports that the speech and the movie are badly done, and you're another dishonest poser, with 0 respect.

@Luthor1940 @darkdefective But if you want it spelled out again, like I literally said from the start, the speech was never about “Earth vs Krypton”, it was “person vs thing”. You pointing out other aliens having the same traits supports my point, respectfully, how can you not connect the dots by now?

@Earthmine52107 @darkdefective It's on the nose because of the exaggerated delivery and bad writing, it's still a bad message that shits on Superman the character and his mythos, you can't get that because you don't care about it. No respect coming from you, just pure dishonesty. No, you don't know Superman.

@Luthor1940 @darkdefective -spells it out to the point other critics say it’s too on the nose but others like you still don’t get it. All due respect, watch the scene again. In reality it’s extremely well done when you actually pay attention to what he’s saying and not project a negative message onto it.

@Earthmine52107 @darkdefective You literally refuse to understand any of the movie's faults, you were never respectful, just dishonest. That's being "human", because to Gunn kryptonians are the worst part of Superman's mythos so he choosed to demonize and bastardize them, he hates the character and so do you.

@Luthor1940 @darkdefective No again you just literally refuse to understand the speech. Because yeah exactly it’s not about him being from Earth, because yeah Ch’p does that, Kara does that. The point is he’s a person with a soul. Again it’s ironic how simple and obvious the speech and how it’s delivered-

@Earthmine52107 @darkdefective You can't sincerely find good arguments to defend this bad movie that you have to resort to obvious things that aren't new or revolutionary, to the surface level and half-assed approach to its themes, which they only explore to the bare minimum leaving only crumbs of them.

@Luthor1940 @darkdefective -misinterpreting its actual themes and the key monologues that ironically other critics claim are too explicit, all due respect.

@Earthmine52107 @darkdefective Outside of a few scenes that subject isn't even treated with the depth like Corenswet and Gunn himself said in interviews, and in the end he chooses Earth after the bastardization of his heritage. Superman existing because of his choice is also something old, nothing new.

@Luthor1940 @darkdefective -ultimately doesn’t. He’s an outsider to both Earth and Krypton, and ultimately he’s Superman because or his own choices and actions, so he hopes he can change the world for the better. Problem is you couldn’t even sincerely criticize the film without completely-

@Earthmine52107 @darkdefective You disagreed the entire time, you still excuse the flick, and it doesn't commit to anything. The movie is so bad you still celebrate the bare minimum, bottom of the barrel aspects, those two are thing that the comic version has, it's not revolutionary or new at all.

@Luthor1940 @darkdefective As for the last part, there’s where I hard disagree. Questionable creative decisions aside, it hard commits to its actual themes. Superman sees good un even someone as evil as Lex and loves even a troublesome dog like Krypto. He wishes he had a purpose and place to belong but-