RaisingRealMen

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RaisingRealMen

RaisingRealMen

@RaisingRealMen_

Raising real men while the world raises victims. Three sons, zero pronouns.

Washington, USA شامل ہوئے Şubat 2023
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RaisingRealMen
RaisingRealMen@RaisingRealMen_·
@imPenny2x But the resources needed to build and power the robots will never be infinite. Is there infinite land for people to live in a desirable location? Is there infinite water? Is there infinite land to grow food? Is there infinite resources to build robots?
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Penny2x
Penny2x@imPenny2x·
99% of people really do not understand abundance as Elon describes it. The fundamental reason is that they don’t understand compound growth. Same people who would probably pick 1 million dollars today over a penny that doubles in value every day for 30 days. It’s a bad choice by the way. You lose out on millions. Imagine if that doubling object was a labor producing robot instead of a penny. Compounding labor. It’s actually crazy if you try and wrap your mind around it. So Elon mentions Universl High Income and the midwits flip a lid. “The elites won’t share” You don’t get it. They won’t need to share. They will make everything so cheap, it is effectively free. Charities will have immense resources to distribute. Unfathomable intelligence will exist to help optimize production and distribution. An unfathomably large labor pool will exist that operates on solar power exclusively. The public work projects that are erected will be unseen before levels of breathtaking. I think we are incredibly blessed to steward this new age of abundance. Can you see it now? Can you see the future?
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RaisingRealMen@RaisingRealMen_·
But why do you assume robots replacing human labor will make the production costs of goods and services fall to nearly zero? Did this happen with agriculture? No. It won’t happen this time either. Robots are not free. Material cost, maintenance cost, software cost, energy cost. It will not be free. That is fantasy.
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RaisingRealMen
RaisingRealMen@RaisingRealMen_·
But why do you assume robots replacing human labor will make the production costs of goods and services fall to nearly zero? Did this happen with agriculture? No. It won’t happen this time either. Robots are not free. Material cost, maintenance cost, software cost, energy cost. It will not be free.
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Elon Musk
Elon Musk@elonmusk·
Your statement is true if goods & services output doesn’t rise dramatically due to AI/robots, but false if it does. In a normal economy, issuing more money simply increases the dollar price of the existing output of goods & services, meaning people do NOT get more stuff. If AI/robots massively increase goods & services output, then you actually MUST issue dollars to people or there will be massive disinflation. Prices are simply the ratio of goods & services output to number of dollars.
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RaisingRealMen
RaisingRealMen@RaisingRealMen_·
@YALiberty @elonmusk The arithmetic doesn’t come close to working. Labor costs are roughly 55-60% of GDP. Even if AI/robotics eliminated 20% of all labor costs, that’s ~11-12% of GDP in business “savings.” A genuinely “high” UBI — say $30K/adult — runs ~$7.8T, or ~27% of GDP.
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Young Americans for Liberty
Even if the math checks out, @elonmusk, what has happened throughout human history when a population's sense of purpose is taken from them? Have we thought through the second and third-order consequences of this welfare system?
Elon Musk@elonmusk

Universal HIGH INCOME via checks issued by the Federal government is the best way to deal with unemployment caused by AI. AI/robotics will produce goods & services far in excess of the increase in the money supply, so there will not be inflation.

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RaisingRealMen@RaisingRealMen_·
Layoffs are a board-meeting decision. UBI is a constitutional-level political lift requiring unprecedented redistribution. The lag between the two is the entire problem. The most likely result is precautionary saving, collapsing aggregate demand, businesses cutting output in response to weak demand (not expanding it), and a political environment that’s more likely to produce nativism and scapegoating than generous transfers.
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Tesla Owners Silicon Valley@teslaownersSV·
ELON MUSK’S VISION FOR THE AI & ROBOTICS FUTURE: UNIVERSAL HIGH INCOME As AI and robotics drive explosive productivity, Elon Musk is already planning for the economic reality they will create. His clear proposal: “I do think we’ll have universal high income. We’ll basically just issue money to people because the output of goods and services will so far exceed the money supply that there will not be inflation.” This isn’t basic survival-level UBI. It’s high income enabled by true abundance — where machines produce far more than we need, costs collapse, and humans are freed from mandatory work to pursue creativity, exploration, family, and meaning. Instead of fearing mass unemployment from AI, Elon sees it as the gateway to a post-scarcity world where prosperity is the default.
Elon Musk@elonmusk

Universal HIGH INCOME via checks issued by the Federal government is the best way to deal with unemployment caused by AI. AI/robotics will produce goods & services far in excess of the increase in the money supply, so there will not be inflation.

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RaisingRealMen@RaisingRealMen_·
Housing, healthcare, education, insurance, childcare, energy, and state/local taxes…the bulk of middle-class spending…are constrained by land, licensure, regulation, or physics. AI doesn’t make Manhattan bigger or create more waterfront. Expect those costs to absorb any “deflationary dividend” through asset inflation as displaced capital concentrates in scarce real assets.
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Elon Musk
Elon Musk@elonmusk·
Universal HIGH INCOME via checks issued by the Federal government is the best way to deal with unemployment caused by AI. AI/robotics will produce goods & services far in excess of the increase in the money supply, so there will not be inflation.
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RaisingRealMen@RaisingRealMen_·
Layoffs are a board-meeting decision. UBI is a constitutional-level political lift requiring unprecedented redistribution. The lag between the two is the entire problem. The most likely result is precautionary saving, collapsing aggregate demand, businesses cutting output in response to weak demand (not expanding it), and a political environment that’s more likely to produce nativism and scapegoating than generous transfers.
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RaisingRealMen
RaisingRealMen@RaisingRealMen_·
Layoffs are a board-meeting decision. UBI is a constitutional-level political lift requiring unprecedented redistribution. The lag between the two is the entire problem. The most likely result is precautionary saving, collapsing aggregate demand, businesses cutting output in response to weak demand (not expanding it), and a political environment that’s more likely to produce nativism and scapegoating than generous transfers.
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DogeDesigner
DogeDesigner@cb_doge·
“We'll have universal high income. We're basically just issuing money to people, and just because the output of Business Services will so far exceed the money supply, that effectively you have deflation, because deflation is just the ratio of the outputs of goods and services to the money supply. If the rate of growth of goods and services exceeds the rate of growth of the money supply, which I predict will happen, then you will have deflation.” - Elon Musk
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RaisingRealMen
RaisingRealMen@RaisingRealMen_·
But why do you assume robots replacing human labor will make the production costs of goods and services fall to nearly zero? Did this happen with agriculture? No. It won’t happen this time either. Robots are not free. Material cost, maintenance cost, software cost, energy cost. It will not be free.
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Evan Luthra
Evan Luthra@EvanLuthra·
🚨FORGET UNIVERSAL BASIC INCOME.. WHAT’S COMING IS UNIVERSAL HIGH INCOME.. AND THE ECONOMICS ACTUALLY MAKE SENSE.. Here’s the part nobody is explaining properly.. Inflation happens when too much money chases too few goods.. That’s the textbook rule.. Print a trillion dollars and the amount of bread stays the same.. Bread gets expensive.. But what happens when AI and robots make the bread.. Not some of it.. Nearly all of it.. At near-zero cost.. Faster than humans ever could.. The supply of goods and services becomes so massive that even if the government sends everyone a fat check every month.. The robots are producing stuff even faster than the money is being printed.. More stuff than money means prices stay flat.. Or they actually go down.. That’s the deflationary offset.. And it breaks every economic model built in the last 200 years.. Think about what this means.. Right now you earn money by trading your time.. Your labor.. Your body.. That’s how it’s worked since the beginning of civilization.. But if robots do all the labor.. And they don’t eat.. Don’t sleep.. Don’t buy houses.. Don’t consume the things they produce.. Then somebody has to give humans the money to buy what the robots are making.. Otherwise demand collapses.. The economy dies.. Not because we ran out of stuff.. But because nobody could afford to buy it.. The government becomes the distributor of the robot dividend.. Not charity.. Not welfare.. A mathematical necessity.. But here’s where the skeptics have a point.. AI can write infinite code.. But it can’t create infinite land.. Or lithium.. Or fresh water.. If everyone gets a high income check and tries to buy a house in Malibu.. Those prices explode.. Because beachfront property is fixed.. No robot can manufacture more coastline.. If everyone spends their checks immediately on limited physical goods.. The speed of money moving through the economy could outrun the robots’ ability to extract raw materials.. And if high income is guaranteed.. Who takes the jobs robots can’t do yet.. Complex surgery.. Specialized plumbing in old buildings.. High-level diplomacy.. Those service costs could skyrocket.. So the real answer isn’t as simple as “robots make everything cheap”.. The real answer is.. AI creates a post-scarcity economy for digital and manufactured goods.. But physical scarcity still exists.. The future isn’t expensive bread.. It’s expensive land.. The thing that will separate the rich from everyone else won’t be income anymore.. It will be what you bought before the robots arrived.
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Elon Musk@elonmusk

Universal HIGH INCOME via checks issued by the Federal government is the best way to deal with unemployment caused by AI. AI/robotics will produce goods & services far in excess of the increase in the money supply, so there will not be inflation.

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SiriusB
SiriusB@SiriusBShaman·
TAX system will collapse Worldwide. Its a scam.
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RaisingRealMen@RaisingRealMen_·
@PeterSchiff You are a nut job. The federal income tax is absolutely legal and enforceable by law.
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Peter Schiff
Peter Schiff@PeterSchiff·
There was a lot of controversy in reaction to my post on Tax Day about my father’s views on the income tax and how it’s illegally enforced. Watch this video and listen to my father explain his views in his own words. Decide for yourself if they have merit.youtube.com/watch?v=BNy5el…
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RaisingRealMen
RaisingRealMen@RaisingRealMen_·
@MoonsnackX @RaveenTheDream This is spot on. Inflation, sales taxes and payroll tax are much more devastating to the poor and lower middle class. The bottom 40% don’t pay any income tax in aggregate.
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Sasha
Sasha@MoonsnackX·
@RaveenTheDream I’m not against taxes but second and third taxes really do piss me off. The hidden tax of inflation is the most painful one
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Thick Saban ✨
Thick Saban ✨@RaveenTheDream·
Paying taxes after you took taxes out my check all year.. We don’t get mad enough man. They got us too trained.
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RaisingRealMen
RaisingRealMen@RaisingRealMen_·
I find poor people get the most upset about the idea of paying income tax when most of them pay little to no actual income tax. Most poor people are much more negatively impacted by payroll taxes and sales taxes. Most wealthy people don’t hate the idea of paying income tax as they recognize the infrastructure of our nation (its laws and freedoms, the ability to own private property, the ability to move freely on public infrastructure, a strong military to defend any challenge, government paid health insurance in retirement, etc).
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Devon Eriksen
Devon Eriksen@Devon_Eriksen_·
Most people think of philosophy as an abstraction that doesn't touch the real world, but they're wrong. Most real world problems are philosophy problems, and most philosophy problems are "giving things the wrong names". For example, if you call feral drug addicts "homeless people", then you can't solve the problem. You can only buy more houses for feral drug addicts to destroy. In this case, we called the police and courts the "justice system". But they're not. They can't be the justice system. The function of a justice system would be to give everyone what they deserve. Now, I deserve a hundred million dollars, a private Caribbean island, and a foot massage from Lauren Bacall in her prime, but I don't see the "justice" system lifting a finger to correct any of this, do you? No, what we are supposed to have is a public safety system. The function of a public safety system is to keep the public and their property safe. If we understood that, we wouldn't care about what criminals deserve. We would care how likely they are to do it again. Or something worse. In a public safety system, retardation and mental illness are not migrating factors. They are the opposite. Because they mean that the criminal is more likely to pose a future threat. We all understand this. We all understand that the feral retard who stabs strangers on the train for being White and beautiful is a worse person than the man who murders his wife and her lover when he catches them in the act. Not because of some abstract calculus of moral agency, of who is disadvantaged and who isn't, but because one is certainly going to murder more people if he can, while the other is a lot less likely to. We've known for centuries, if not millennia, that it's the same small percentage of people doing all the robbing, raping, and murdering, over and over and over again. And we've known for centuries that if you physically remove them from society, that's 100% effective in stopping them from doing it again. The only hurdle is philosophical. Call it a "justice" system, and you have to argue endlessly about morality and redemption, and then some leftie thug-hugger weaponizes your own Christianity against you. Call it public safety, and you confine the argument to likelihood of reoffense. Then you are in the realm of statistics. Which you can compute. It all starts with naming things correctly, according to their actual nature.
New York Post@nypost

Crazed homeless man accused of slaughtering Iryna Zarutska on train found incompetent to stand trial trib.al/GsJMZC8

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Elon Musk
Elon Musk@elonmusk·
Exactly
Devon Eriksen@Devon_Eriksen_

Most people think of philosophy as an abstraction that doesn't touch the real world, but they're wrong. Most real world problems are philosophy problems, and most philosophy problems are "giving things the wrong names". For example, if you call feral drug addicts "homeless people", then you can't solve the problem. You can only buy more houses for feral drug addicts to destroy. In this case, we called the police and courts the "justice system". But they're not. They can't be the justice system. The function of a justice system would be to give everyone what they deserve. Now, I deserve a hundred million dollars, a private Caribbean island, and a foot massage from Lauren Bacall in her prime, but I don't see the "justice" system lifting a finger to correct any of this, do you? No, what we are supposed to have is a public safety system. The function of a public safety system is to keep the public and their property safe. If we understood that, we wouldn't care about what criminals deserve. We would care how likely they are to do it again. Or something worse. In a public safety system, retardation and mental illness are not migrating factors. They are the opposite. Because they mean that the criminal is more likely to pose a future threat. We all understand this. We all understand that the feral retard who stabs strangers on the train for being White and beautiful is a worse person than the man who murders his wife and her lover when he catches them in the act. Not because of some abstract calculus of moral agency, of who is disadvantaged and who isn't, but because one is certainly going to murder more people if he can, while the other is a lot less likely to. We've known for centuries, if not millennia, that it's the same small percentage of people doing all the robbing, raping, and murdering, over and over and over again. And we've known for centuries that if you physically remove them from society, that's 100% effective in stopping them from doing it again. The only hurdle is philosophical. Call it a "justice" system, and you have to argue endlessly about morality and redemption, and then some leftie thug-hugger weaponizes your own Christianity against you. Call it public safety, and you confine the argument to likelihood of reoffense. Then you are in the realm of statistics. Which you can compute. It all starts with naming things correctly, according to their actual nature.

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RaisingRealMen
RaisingRealMen@RaisingRealMen_·
@ZubyMusic The top 1% pay 40% of all income tax. The bottom 40% receive a tax refund in aggregate. Be careful what you wish for. The bottom 75% would be forced to pay a much greater share of the federal revenue. It isn’t cheap to fund a nation of 330 million people.
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RaisingRealMen
RaisingRealMen@RaisingRealMen_·
This argument has been litigated to death and loses every time. §6151 IRC requires payment when a return is filed. No separate “liability section” needed. The “voluntary”language refers to self-assessment (you calculate it yourself vs. getting a government bill). It doesn’t mean optional. The IRS lists this exact argument in Notice 2010-33 as frivolous, with penalties under §6702. Your own father went to prison over it.
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Peter Schiff
Peter Schiff@PeterSchiff·
26 U.S.C. § 5001 imposes a tax on alcohol. 26 U.S.C. § 5005 creates the liability to pay the alcohol tax. 26 U.S.C. § 5701 imposes a tobacco tax. 26 U.S.C. § 5703 creates the liability to pay the tobacco tax. 26 U.S.C. § 4401 imposes a tax on wagering. Section 4401(c) creates a liability to pay the wagering tax. 26 U.S.C. § 1 imposes an income tax. However, there is no section that creates a liability to pay the income tax. That is not an accident. It's because the payment of the income tax is legally voluntary. The payment of those other taxes is mandatory. If anyone can find a section of the IRC that specifically creates a liability to pay the income tax, in the same way that the IRC establishes a liability to pay the alcohol, tobacco, or wagering taxes, please reply to this post with the citation.
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Former Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene🇺🇸
Today, millions of Americans volunteer to pay federal income tax that actually is not required by law.
Peter Schiff@PeterSchiff

@SUDHIRT64354301 That's not what the IRS says. They will tell you it's based on voluntary compliance. If compliance were compulsory it would violate the Constitution on many grounds. For one, none of the information on the return could be used against you. But it's all used against you.

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