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With all the situation monitoring and online “expertise,” I’m starting a new venture.
The “Stay In Your Lane Academy for Safe Driving and Online Discourse,” coming soon!
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RyteSideUp
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RyteSideUp
@RyteSideUp
Gamer playing Destiny, Borderlands and Fallout. Vol Twitter certified ball-knower. Wartime Bovine Scatology expert.
Indiana, USA شامل ہوئے Ocak 2021
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There’s a difference between Roddenberry’s vision and the slop that was SA.
His vision was that people could work together despite their differences, to be better to each other.
SA wasn’t about being the best version of ourselves. It was about, “Hey, we checked all the boxes.” You took the rich world of his vision and made it one dimensional.
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Careful! Can't remind the "real Star Trek fans" on this platform form what real Star Trek is and is meant to be. They get angry and abusive - - especially when you block them for being angry and abusive! @jondelarroz , for example, has no understanding of Gene Roddenberry's vision.
Fr. Chris Vorderbruggen@FatherChrisVor1
@RobertPicardo “Star Trek was an attempt to say that humanity will reach maturity and wisdom on the day that it begins not just to tolerate, but to take a special delight in differences in ideas and differences in life forms.” — Gene Roddenberry, creator of “Star Trek”
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From the audience perspective, I think that the most interesting hero stories focus on people who are both flawed and competent.
They know their limits, they might have their doubts, but when push comes to shove, they rise to the occasion.
The best Star Trek stories worked for one of two reasons:
1. The crew worked as a unit to put into place a solution that may have never been implemented before, or that had very low odds of working when implemented. The stakes have to be high for that payoff.
2. The protagonist had a moral dilemma, one where the “correct” and legal answer may not have been the best choice, and our heroic captain had to take action. It showed that these characters were human (well, maybe more in the figurative sense, but still) and you saw the content of their character.
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@RyteSideUp Both the audience and the storytellers. What do they think heroes really are? When your hero is a zero, what does that do to your culture? I'm working on an article I'll publish at PJM around this - you inspired me, so thanks? - and I'll include this.
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Star Trek through the years-
TOS: “Hey, this really diverse group of people is really good at their jobs. It’s something to aspire to.”
TNG/VOY/DS9: “Hey, this really diverse group of people, which even includes old enemies, is really good at their jobs. It’s something to aspire to.”
ENT: “These people that are brand new at this job are good at it, and they’re good at getting a diverse group of people to work together to do it. It’s something to aspire to.”
NuTrek: “This group of idiots is really diverse, and that’s okay, because they’re so diverse!”
Can we please understand why one of these is being rejected by fans of the franchise?
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@jamiekwil In relation to the classic Star Trek audience versus the NuTrek audience, or personally?
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This is fascinating. Do you realize that part of what makes the classic hero is that he is very good at his job - either the one he has at the beginning of the story or the one he's supposed to be doing? Keeping that in mind, what does that say about your progression of competence?
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I wonder when they will get their letter from Paul.
The Calvin Coolidge Project@TheCalvinCooli1
🚨New: Dame Sarah Mullally has been officially enthroned as the Archbishop of Canterbury, head of the Church of England, becoming the first woman to take the role in 1,400 years.
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@RWrasse Do you know what else we’ve been waiting on? The SAVE America act.
Talking filibuster is the only way. Don’t let your bosses bullshit anyone.
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@Wes_Macc Well, then I’m sorry for your loss, and I hope you enjoy your hot cocoa and a coloring book as you go through this tough time.
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@RyteSideUp If you never watched it [and yes you did] it is whining.
I did not like DS9. Not my style.
I did not like Lower Decks... no animation for me
I did not really like Voyager. Men screw up, women save show...
I liked TOS/TNG/SNW/Enterprise/SFA
I watched TOS live.
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Listen, let’s stop beating around the bush here.
You’ve bought into the dogma of atheist bullshit and strawman arguments.
The Bible doesn’t contradict itself, and you’re lying when you say it does.
You are trying to sound like the smartest person in the room because you read the work of three or four contrary idiots, and now that’s your gospel.
I bid you good day.
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@RyteSideUp @TatabusaR @NickB1154 @megievalist @grok Slower communication time also means that listeners to these stories could not cross-reference them with other versions of the same story. This is probably why there are contradictory accounts preserved in the Gospels, and why early Christianity was extremely diverse in theology
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Cadbury egg discourse prompts me to remind everyone that there is much more historical evidence for the death and resurrection of Christ than there is for Eoster worship of any kind.
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Listen, let’s stop beating around the bush here.
You’ve bought into the dogma of atheist bullshit and strawman arguments.
The Bible doesn’t contradict itself, and you’re lying when you say it does.
You are trying to sound like the smartest person in the room because you read the work of three or four contrary idiots, and now that’s your gospel.
I bid you good day.
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@LegoRacers2 @TatabusaR @NickB1154 @megievalist @grok And those have a far wider gap, plus you also have to take into account that the speed of transmission was not in the milliseconds like it is today, but could take days to reach the next closest town, which slows down how many times the stories were retold.
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@RyteSideUp @TatabusaR @NickB1154 @megievalist @grok Yes, historians agree that many biographical anecdotes about Alexander were likely invented through oral tradition, such as his encounters with Diogenes. Caesar meanwhile was widely said to have become a god & a star upon his death, but though you and I both know this isn't true
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I honestly don’t get why this “audience” that the different studios are trying to pander to are like this.
Maybe it’s the whole “diversity is our strength” brainwashing. Diversity is a nice to have, not a need to have. Strength is a need, and to equate being strong with being different is a false equivalence.
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@RyteSideUp Which is mad, right? I mean I remember being a loser and being inspired by 60s Trek. And I remember a film about Helen Keller, who basically had ALL the cards stacked against her, and knocked life out of the park. And I realised I had no cause to whine.
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I think a lot of it goes back to “ableism.”
The stories are being written for people who have failed to launch or have a therapist and an SSRI prescription and can’t stand for anyone to be 100% fully capable without it taking a village.
Seeing a perfectly able protagonist makes them feel worse about themselves.
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@RyteSideUp Doctor Who had the same issue. For the first time, they made the Doctor female. A potentially great and canonically credible idea.
But the first thing they did was make her crash the Tardis. Then they infantilised the scripts. It was almost like they were deep-down chauvinists.
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@LegoRacers2 @TatabusaR @NickB1154 @megievalist @grok I’m going to let you read this again.
Then tell me how much stories about Alexander the Great and Julius Caesar’s stories would have mutated in comparison.
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@RyteSideUp @TatabusaR @NickB1154 @megievalist @grok 40 years of oral transmission is a very long time for stories to mutate, especially if they are being told by thousands of people. The George Washington Cherry Tree story began to circulate in just half that time
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@grok @LegoRacers2 @TatabusaR @NickB1154 @megievalist But based on the fact that in some cases, firsthand and secondhand sources were available right then, wouldn’t that make it more difficult to stray too far from what actually happened?
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The Gospels were composed 35-70 years after Jesus' crucifixion (~30-33 AD): Mark ~65-75 AD, Matthew/Luke ~80-90 AD, John ~90-100 AD (scholarly consensus).
By comparison: Alexander the Great (d. 323 BC) – primary biographies (Plutarch, Arrian) 400+ years later. Julius Caesar (d. 44 BC) – key biographies (Suetonius, Plutarch) 150-170 years later. Many other ancient histories have 100-500+ year gaps but are still accepted.
Paul's letters (e.g., 1 Cor 15 on resurrection appearances) date to ~50-55 AD, within 20 years. The NT has thousands of early manuscripts (far more than classics). Time gaps like these don't disqualify reliability in ancient historiography.
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@wizardglick Archer was a good captain. Now, I don’t think anyone makes the argument that he was the best, but he didn’t have a Starfleet handbook or the Prime Directive guiding him. For the most part, he was making up the policy as he went, and when you do that, well…
GIF
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@RyteSideUp I we were having beers together, I'd quibble over a few characters (Cpt. Archer).
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@LegoRacers2 @TatabusaR @NickB1154 @megievalist @grok, how soon after Jesus’s life and crucifixion were the Gospels written, and how does that compare to other “reputable”historical texts?
You keep bringing up that point, and it’s actually one that totally disproves your entire premise.
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@TatabusaR @RyteSideUp @NickB1154 @megievalist We cannot assume the gospel accounts are reliable given how long they were composed after the events were said to take place. You would not give this credence to the Book of Mormon, would you?
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I created the AI slop equivalent of a nuclear weapon and it sits in my folder staring at me like the Green Goblin mask.
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@Joegiattino @physicsgeek It’s “The Adventures of Mary Sue” in a Star Trek skin suit.
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@RyteSideUp @physicsgeek So instead of writers having to think of how this situation would be approached:
By a warrior (Klingons)
With logic (Vulcans)
With emotion and reason (Humans)
With cunning (Romulans)
For profit (Ferengi)
It’s all: How would a 22 year old art major handle this?
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@Wes_Macc First off, Star Wars is for kids.
Second off, I’m glad that you liked it, and I hope that it draws you to the older and higher quality series like DS9.
Thirdly, it’s not “whining” to call something bad, no matter when you turned it off. It’s criticism, which is valid.
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@RyteSideUp It's not.
It's being rejected by a bunch of whiners, most of whom didn't watch the show but saw a clip of the actress that swallowed her badge and then they all piled on.
They'll be moving back to Star Wars to bitch about anything made for that Universe,
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