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@cjroper1973 @AkiTahvanainen @blind_ne @madcap412 My basic premise wasn't that it was made for a limited audience but that it was made for a broad audience with an art direction that uses stylistic techniques normally used to entice and entrance very young children i.e. very bright colours combined with very simple shapes.

@WinnerDefault @AkiTahvanainen @blind_ne @madcap412 I mean the toddlers comment is plainly ridiculous, but if we take your basic premise that it was designed for a limited audience - that is the opposite of slop. The word slop has its place, and it's not here.

The problem is that Concord raised the bar for flops SO HIGH, that games that flop are perceived as "doing ok" because they're not as bad as Concord Marathon is an underperformer, weirdos try to defend it by arguing "its alive"...in reality, it's just an average pre-Concord flop

@AkiTahvanainen @cjroper1973 @blind_ne @madcap412 A poorly made artistic style that looks like it's made to keep a toddlers attention instead of be appealing the large audience is needs is in fact slop. I also didnt didn't need to check the definition of ironic, I was using the word correctly the entire time. Hope this helps.

@WinnerDefault @cjroper1973 @blind_ne @madcap412 Yes you did. And as you should know slop doesn't equate what you said. Glad you found the definition. It's just it doesn't make any sense to mention in this conversation. Hope this helps 😊

@DannyBo45117566 @blind_ne @madcap412 This is also very true. I love open world games but there are so many that are just pure padding and time wasting that it's become a detriment to the genre.

@WinnerDefault @blind_ne @madcap412 how well the genre side of things is handled kinda goes hand in hand with how well a game is received though. a lot of games can be open world, but not all open world games are great.

@DannyBo45117566 @blind_ne @madcap412 No lies told broseph, 4 went way too far

@WinnerDefault @blind_ne @madcap412 i think we can agree to disagree on it being less of a satire, either way it's a damn good series, at least up to SR 4

@Cummer4454341 @RealMarcFoxx I agree that general writing craft in video games is unfortunately low but I don't think he's a top 10% writer. His metaphors, thematic subtext are painfully obvious and almost always very surface level, not requiring much thought beyond what's plainly presented.

@WinnerDefault @RealMarcFoxx He makes great games. His writing quality could improve but theyre still better than 90% of game we have. Death stranding is one of the best games in regards to game mechanics and level design.

Kojima: YAY or NAY?

@MugenLord Same. It's one of the most basic JRPG's in existence but it holds a very special place in my cold gamer heart.

Loved the original and love the remake. You definitely need to give this game a try if you haven't already.

@AkiTahvanainen @cjroper1973 @blind_ne @madcap412 I called it slop after specifying several reasons why the character designs and art direction were poor. You were being sincere and quite literal, which is by definition unironic. I don't think you understand how irony works.

@WinnerDefault @cjroper1973 @blind_ne @madcap412 You missunderstood. "It's slop" is a quote from you. I just demonstrated that it is not, at least with your descriptions. Your message is delightfully ironic, because it's also *your. Ps. I don't think you know what unironic means 😂

@DannyBo45117566 @blind_ne @madcap412 I think SR became less of a satire and more of a straight action comedy, but they were both different enough to provide interesting experiences on their own.

@WinnerDefault @blind_ne @madcap412 i'd argue that both are satires of the same thing, which is crime life, in their own ways and executions

@DannyBo45117566 @blind_ne @madcap412 Definitely bombastic action but not absurdist insanity. if we really wanted to stretch this then we'd have to say Sleeping Dogs and RDR1/2 are the exact same too because they're 3rd person shooter/crime games. But that's just genre convention not their unique offering.

@WinnerDefault @blind_ne @madcap412 and even then, one could also argue that GTA has been bombastic action since 3

@DannyBo45117566 @blind_ne @madcap412 Only in that they were open world 3rd person shooters but you're right in tat they are very similar titles. The difference being the overall offer, GTA is about more serious crime and satire of crime, SR is insane gangwars and eventual presidency.

@WinnerDefault @blind_ne @madcap412 not really, gameplay wise, all of the games are pretty much the same, the only thing that really changed was that they went further into insanity in the sequels, but gameplay wise, it was always the same.

@DannyBo45117566 @blind_ne @madcap412 Also correct, mediocre isn't bad but I wouldn't call it good either. The absolute worst thing about Marathon is the art style and character/NPC designs, which is also it's most unique aspect.

@WinnerDefault @blind_ne @madcap412 like i stand by the notion that it's by no means a bad game, just average, but because it's Bungie, the guys behind halo and destiny, it's spoken about as worse than it is, even though Bungie has never always been a hit studio, they have several games that have never taken off

@DannyBo45117566 @blind_ne @madcap412 That's definitely true of the 1st Saints Row game but then they differentiated themselves by leaning hard on bombastic action absurdities.

@WinnerDefault @blind_ne @madcap412 some people don't mind games that are similar though, if something being similar was automatically a bad thing, saints row would not have had over 5 separate games in the series because those are all GTA clones. and mediocrity is not bad, in fact i prefer mediocre than bad

@cjroper1973 @AkiTahvanainen @blind_ne @madcap412 You're right, if they fix it for s2 they might have a chance of getting new players to stick around but that's not the current state of the game and it's one of the reasons it's losing players. Personally, I think Bungie were banking on their name more than making something good.

@WinnerDefault @AkiTahvanainen @blind_ne @madcap412 I sort of agree re:2. The game does take too long to get into. An hour just isn't enough to see even a fraction of what it offers, especially solo. That's unusual. IMO that's what they need to fix for season 2.

@DannyBo45117566 @blind_ne @madcap412 Correct, because it has mediocre gameplay and an offering that doesn't differ vastly from anything else other than it's visuals. You have successfully understood what I've consistently said.

@WinnerDefault @blind_ne @madcap412 like i get what's going on, it's an extraction shooter that isn't exactly doing anything new or better with the genre, so people who are fans of extraction shooters are probably gonna play it for a bit, realize it's not better than the competition and just go back to better stuff

@cjroper1973 @AkiTahvanainen @blind_ne @madcap412 1. You keep saying "just to say I had" with no real basis other than my opinion and views not being the same as yours, which is pure retardation. 2. If a game isn't fun within the first hour then it's doing it's job wrong and the devs have failed to create a quality product.

@WinnerDefault @AkiTahvanainen @blind_ne @madcap412 I've played it for 200+ hours, you played it for an hour or so, just to say that you had. You protest, but it's clear from the video. So how come you have accurate and honest opinions, whereas my opinions - which align with the vast majority of users/critical reviews, are not?

@AkiTahvanainen @cjroper1973 @blind_ne @madcap412 Those were in fact, several differing and specific descriptors of the art style and then I went on to specify how the gameplay, specifically the gunplay, was mediocre. Calling it word slop just shows that you're language skills are stunted. You're still inaccurate and unironic.

@WinnerDefault @cjroper1973 @blind_ne @madcap412 It's literal, I referred "not good" to your word slop. Which didn't equate those "several different ways". What in fact is not inaccurate. Quite ironic isn't it?

@AkiTahvanainen @cjroper1973 @blind_ne @madcap412 You said I should say it's not good if that's what I thought about it, which I already did in several different ways. What you said was, in fact, an inaccurate statement. There is no irony here.

@WinnerDefault @cjroper1973 @blind_ne @madcap412 I haven't made any inaccurate statements. Kinda ironic that you say that.

@AkiTahvanainen @cjroper1973 @blind_ne @madcap412 You don't need to follow me when I posted those things in this very thread. Maybe try reading things first before making inaccurate statements.

@WinnerDefault @cjroper1973 @blind_ne @madcap412 I don't follow you, why would I know you said these things? And those things don't equate slop. Btw did you know insults are sign of low intelligence?

@blind_ne @cjroper1973 @AkiTahvanainen @madcap412 I'm definitely trash but that's not the same as all PVP games being mediocre. I play single player and PVP games for different kinds of fun.

@WinnerDefault @cjroper1973 @AkiTahvanainen @madcap412 I bet it doesnt come close lil bro 🤣 and i can guarantee that almost every game with real PVP in it is mediocre to u, thats prolly y u play so many single player games cuz ur fucking garbage

@blind_ne @cjroper1973 @AkiTahvanainen @madcap412 Those have literally nothing to do with anything we've discussed so far. I can concede the argument that it's a sequel and it's story follows on from the old games but that's not a counter to the game offering being different from what other games provide.

@WinnerDefault @cjroper1973 @AkiTahvanainen @madcap412 So we're just ignoring Marathon 94', Marathon 2 Durandal and Marathon Infinity's stories that directly lead into basically Marathon 4 that also expand on the story and questions actual fans had about what happened after the fact, like i said u dont remotely want to play the game