@mapadevelador @kroketrendang @leap_dog How can a population be established if it hasn't even been there for a single generation? And the state wasn't even named Argentina by the time the English took it back
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Jacob Kraft
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Jacob Kraft
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There was a time I hadn't exactly lost my soul, but I didn't know where I put it.. We're all Antifa! #BLM
شامل ہوئے Haziran 2012
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@jacobjckraft @kroketrendang @leap_dog Not a military outpost. Sovereign Argentine territory with an established civilian population.
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@oilcave @alltidfl19 @Creepertrainz To get the land you claim as yours back, you hate to take their land away, how is that so complicated? You have never meaningfully owned the land. Just because you spend a night in a wood, it doesn't suddenly belong to you
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It's easy to be pro palestine, pro gay and trans rights as long as it either impacts you directly or it's far away from you, right, Jack?
If you keep using debunked talking points by Thatcherites by what metric do you believe you can accuse argentinians of being brainwashed?
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I’m a lefty anti-imperialist, but Argentina is wrong on the Falklands The islands have never had an Argentinian population. Falklanders predate Argentina, and 99% voted to stay British This isn’t a colonial issue. It’s used by ARG's far right to distract from domestic problems.
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@oilcave @alltidfl19 @Creepertrainz But you are not. You are maybe a descendant of the original owner. But the original house is no longer there and the new house in the same place is lived in by an innocent family. Harming them to assuage your hurt feelings isn't justice, it's the opposite
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@jacobjckraft @alltidfl19 @Creepertrainz aunque yo sea el originario dueño de la casa tengo que dejarselas a los ocupas porque sino pierden su hogar?
no digas despues que eres anti imperialista para quedar bien pero cuando se trata de temas entonces dices estas cosas sin sentido
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@mapadevelador @kroketrendang @leap_dog Being there for 20 years in a military outpost does not make you indigenous. Especially when the people living there mutinied against their Argentinian governor the first chance they got
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@kroketrendang @leap_dog Totally not true. Argentina had government authorities, a military garrison and a permanent civilian population in the islands. Argentines were even born there:
es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matilde_V…
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@oilcave @alltidfl19 @Creepertrainz No you giving up on your claim isn't equal to the harm of them giving up their home. Same as the Jews having to give up their claim to Palestine isn't as harmful as the Palestinians having to give up their homes
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@oilcave @alltidfl19 @Creepertrainz It's their territory in their view and for all intents and purposes. That would mean they'd pay in their view, there would be harm caused to them, for no fault of their own
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@oilcave @alltidfl19 @Creepertrainz It would be comparable if my great great great grandfather took a piece of land from your great great great grandfather, and then developed the land over generations and now you want me to give the land back. The statute of limitations is long past
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@oilcave @alltidfl19 @Creepertrainz No. I think your argument is incoherent. The people living there have been there for generations. Many have never even been to England. Even if their ancestors might have done injustice to your ancestors, they are not responsible for their ancestors' actions.
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@oilcave @alltidfl19 @Creepertrainz Yes because I don't really care about Britain's claim. I care about what the people living right there say, who they want to belong to
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@jacobjckraft @alltidfl19 @Creepertrainz genuinamente te parece lo mismo reclamar territorio a 500km de distancia de tu capital que reclamar territorio a 13000 km de tu capital? honestamente contestame
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@oilcave @alltidfl19 @Creepertrainz This focus of past grievances makes you sound like any reactionary. The UK is a shadow of its former self. Argentina could probably take the islands if it wanted to. It would just make things worse in my view
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@jacobjckraft @alltidfl19 @Creepertrainz no estas aprendiendo si dejas que sigan existiendo abusos, los abusos los hacen el grupito de los mas fuertes donde esta UK, ponerte anti imperialismo estadounidense pero no contra el de UK te convierte en un hipocrita
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@oilcave @alltidfl19 @Creepertrainz Not really, I also can't claim that, since my ancestors were born in the Austrian empire that is now part of Germany, that part should now become part of Austria again. The past is the past. And just because it's closer does not negate the will of the people living there
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@jacobjckraft @alltidfl19 @Creepertrainz me diferencia que yo tengo un reclamo veridico, que mis antepasados fueron exupulsados de ahi y que mi metropolis no queda a 13.000 km de distancia de lo que reclamo
eso no te parece suficiente?
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@oilcave @alltidfl19 @Creepertrainz Learning from history isn't the same as trying to undo it. We can fight against imperialism happening now, like Israel, the US or Russia.
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@jacobjckraft @alltidfl19 @Creepertrainz yo tiendo a pensar que si te pasas la historia por el culo entonces se vuelve a repetir
y es lo que estas haciendo practicamente
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@oilcave @alltidfl19 @Creepertrainz That's the slippery slope fallacy. Great Britain stopped expanding long ago. What would make you different from an imperialist when you take the islands, even just diplomatically, against the will of the people living there?
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@jacobjckraft @alltidfl19 @Creepertrainz no se hace en beneficio de nadie , sino contra el sistema opresor imperialista
no se busca desde la violencia sino desde la diplomacia
como competis contra una potencia mundial siendo un pais 3r mundista? no podes
si dejas que el sistema se lleve todo puesto, estas mal
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@oilcave @alltidfl19 @Creepertrainz My anti imperialism is about harm reduction. That may not be as ideologically pure as your view. But I tend to think past grievances are less important than actual human lives.
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@jacobjckraft @alltidfl19 @Creepertrainz y esta mal , eso deberian ser suyos porque la historia lo contempla como tal
no tengo problema en que seas un tipo tranquilo pero no me vengas a decir que eres anti imperialista cuando en realidad estas apoyando sus medidas de manera indirecta
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@oilcave @alltidfl19 @Creepertrainz Who would be helped by changing the status quo other than a few hurt nationalist egos? A few thousand ppl would be hurt at least by a violent land grab. There's no benefit.
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@jacobjckraft @alltidfl19 @Creepertrainz y obvio, pero esto no tiene que quedar asi, le estas dando paso libre al bully para que se lleve puesto todo por delante, si queres jugar al anti imperialista desde la comodidad de tu sillon hacelo, pero hay gente que lo hace desde la memoria y la verdad
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@oilcave @alltidfl19 @Creepertrainz Regarding the Germany example. Borders in Europe kept changing. Look at South Tyrol for example, used to be ours, all German speaking Tyroleans living there, now it's Italian. So what? A few ultra nationalists are still upset, everyone else is going on with their lives
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@jacobjckraft @alltidfl19 @Creepertrainz la gente que vive alli son hijos de los que murieron hace 200 años , como voy a respetar la opinion de alguien que invadio mi tierra y que no tiene nada que ver con ella? volvemos al ejemplo de alemania, si se quedan suficiente tiempo el territorio les pertenece? CLARO QUE NO
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@oilcave @alltidfl19 @Creepertrainz Dude come on, whomever of us is right, we're both doing fuck all in the grand scheme of things. At least I'm no nationalist. I'm anti imperialism when it happens today, we can't roll all the consequences of colonialism and imperialism back, we have to work with what we've got
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@jacobjckraft @alltidfl19 @Creepertrainz no estas haciendo nada para cambiarlo, seguís apoyando las decisiones de imperialistas que tanto mal le han causado a este mundo, te pones en una posición que crees que es neutral pero en realidad estas ayudando a los "malos" de manera inconsciente
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@oilcave @alltidfl19 @Creepertrainz 23.000 years to be precise, by most estimates, but yeah. If we go by your definition it isn't. OTOH as indigenous as Vernet in my book
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@jacobjckraft @alltidfl19 @Creepertrainz estas en lo correcto, no toma millones, toma miles y hasta cientos de miles, my bad there
siguiendo con el tema principal es como va a ser un tipo de apellido HART nativo de sud america?
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