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@ARS38171688: [1/2] 𝘙𝘰𝘮𝘢𝘯𝘴 11:1–2: “𝘏𝘢𝘴 𝘎𝘰𝘥 𝘳𝘦𝘫𝘦𝘤𝘵𝘦𝘥 𝘏𝘪𝘴 𝘱𝘦𝘰𝘱𝘭𝘦? 𝘉𝘺 𝘯𝘰 𝘮𝘦𝘢𝘯𝘴.” 𝘛𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘢𝘭𝘰𝘯𝘦 𝘴𝘩𝘶𝐭𝘵𝘴 𝘥𝘰𝘸𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘪𝘥𝘦𝘢 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘰𝘵𝘢𝘭 𝘳𝘦𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘤𝘦𝘮𝘦𝘯𝘵. 𝘑𝘦𝘳𝘦𝘮𝘪𝘢𝘩 31:31–33 [𝐭𝘩𝘦] “𝘯𝘦𝘸 𝘤𝘰𝘷𝘦𝘯𝘢𝘯𝘵” You seem to enjoy talking about things you neither know or understand. Perhaps the following will explain some of what things you clearly do not understand. In Romans 11, the apostle Paul compares Abraham’s seed to the branches of an olive tree. (Rom. 11:21) This tree represents the fulfillment of the Abrahamic Covenant. The root of the tree is holy and represents God, who gives life to the tree's branches, the Israel of God. (Rom. 11:16) The trunk represents Jesus, the primary part of Abraham’s offspring/seed, and the branches that includes the remnant represent “the fullness” of those included in the secondary part of this seed. (Isa. 10:20; Rom. 11:12)⁣⁣ ⁣⁣ The natural Jews that rejected Jesus are the branches that were “broken off" the olive tree (Rom. 11:17), which means that they lost the opportunity to become part of Abraham’s seed. But who would replace those branches? John the Baptist said something very interesting: "Do not begin to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham." (Luke 3:8)⁣⁣ ⁣⁣ Branches from a wild olive tree were grafted onto the olive tree to replace the branches that have been broken off. (Rom. 11:17-18) IOW Gentile Christians would be grafted into the olive tree and so they join the Christian Jewish remnant as the secondary part of Abraham’s seed. God broke off the natural branches, which opened the way to these wild olive branches to become spiritual Jews, and their praise comes from God. (Rom. 2:28-29)⁣⁣ ⁣⁣ The "Israel of God" (Gal.6:16) are the Christians that became the 'children of the promise that are counted by God as Abraham's seed.' The Israel of God is "a royal priesthood, a holy nation," and they are now "God's people" that "have received mercy." (1 Pet. 2:9-10)⁣⁣ ⁣⁣ The natural Jews still have the opportunity to become part of the Abraham's seed, for if they "do not continue in their unbelief, … the natural branches [will] be grafted back into their own olive tree" by God. (Rom. 11:23-24)⁣ God has rendered judgment and he has chosen those who he will count as Abraham's seed, "the Israel of God," and how inscrutable are his ways! Indeed, "𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐠𝐢𝐟𝐭𝐬 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐜𝐚𝐥𝐥𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐨𝐟 𝐆𝐨𝐝 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐢𝐫𝐫𝐞𝐯𝐨𝐜𝐚𝐛𝐥𝐞." (Rom. 11:29, 33; Gal. 6:16)⁣ ⁣⁣ As Rom. 5:10 says, “For if while we were enemies [of the gospel] we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life.” Rom. 11:28 says, “As regards the gospel, [the natural Jews] are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, [the Jewish remnant] are beloved for the sake of their forefathers.” (Rom. 11:28)⁣⁣⁣⁣ Again, I said nothing about the replacement of 𝐚𝐧𝐲 religious system. The old Law Covenant is no longer in effect. When the nation of Israel broke the Law of Moses in 607 BC, God foretold through the prophet Jeremiah that that old covenant would be superseded by the 𝐧𝐞𝐰 covenant. ⁣ [cont’d]

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@wpcguy @YahwehGraced Romans 11:1–2: “Has God rejected His people? By no means.” That alone shuts down the idea of total replacement. Jeremiah 31:31–33 yhe “new covenant”
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@YahwehGraced: [1/5] 𝘌𝘭𝘰𝘩𝘪𝘮’𝘴 (𝘎𝘰𝘥𝘴’) 𝘤𝘩𝘰𝘴𝘦𝘯 𝘱𝘦𝘰𝘱𝘭𝘦 𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘭𝘭 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘐𝘴𝘳𝘢𝘦𝘭𝘪𝘵𝘦𝘴. You are mistaken; Israel is no longer God’s chosen people. With reference to the Jews at Matt. 23:38, Jesus stated: “Your house is left to you desolate.” In fact,God entered into a covenant with the patriarch Abraham promising to bless and multiply his offspring because of Abraham’s faith. This promise is called the “Abrahamic Covenant.” 𝐆𝐞𝐧. 𝟐𝟐:𝟏𝟕-𝟏𝟖: 𝐈 𝐰𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐬𝐮𝐫𝐞𝐥𝐲 𝐛𝐥𝐞𝐬𝐬 𝐲𝐨𝐮, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐈 𝐰𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐬𝐮𝐫𝐞𝐥𝐲 𝐦𝐮𝐥𝐭𝐢𝐩𝐥𝐲 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐨𝐟𝐟𝐬𝐩𝐫𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐚𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐫𝐬 𝐨𝐟 𝐡𝐞𝐚𝐯𝐞𝐧 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐚𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐬𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐢𝐬 𝐨𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐬𝐞𝐚𝐬𝐡𝐨𝐫𝐞. 𝐀𝐧𝐝 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐨𝐟𝐟𝐬𝐩𝐫𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐬𝐡𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐩𝐨𝐬𝐬𝐞𝐬𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐠𝐚𝐭𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐞𝐧𝐞𝐦𝐢𝐞𝐬, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐢𝐧 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐨𝐟𝐟𝐬𝐩𝐫𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐬𝐡𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐧𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐬 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐭𝐡 𝐛𝐞 𝐛𝐥𝐞𝐬𝐬𝐞𝐝, 𝐛𝐞𝐜𝐚𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐡𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐨𝐛𝐞𝐲𝐞𝐝 𝐦𝐲 𝐯𝐨𝐢𝐜𝐞. With respect to the Abrahamic Covenant, some 400 years later, God told the descendants of Abraham through Moses that they had been chosen to be his people based on “the oath that he swore to [their] fathers,” Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. 𝐃𝐞𝐮𝐭. 𝟕:𝟔-𝟖: “𝐅𝐨𝐫 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐚 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞 𝐡𝐨𝐥𝐲 𝐭𝐨 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐋𝐎𝐑𝐃 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐆𝐨𝐝. 𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐋𝐎𝐑𝐃 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐆𝐨𝐝 𝐡𝐚𝐬 𝐜𝐡𝐨𝐬𝐞𝐧 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐭𝐨 𝐛𝐞 𝐚 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐭𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐬𝐮𝐫𝐞𝐝 𝐩𝐨𝐬𝐬𝐞𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐨𝐧, 𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐨𝐟 𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞𝐬 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐨𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐟𝐚𝐜𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐭𝐡. 𝐈𝐭 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝐛𝐞𝐜𝐚𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐰𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐞 𝐢𝐧 𝐧𝐮𝐦𝐛𝐞𝐫 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐧 𝐚𝐧𝐲 𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐋𝐎𝐑𝐃 𝐬𝐞𝐭 𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐥𝐨𝐯𝐞 𝐨𝐧 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐜𝐡𝐨𝐬𝐞 𝐲𝐨𝐮, 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐰𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐟𝐞𝐰𝐞𝐬𝐭 𝐨𝐟 𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞𝐬, 𝐛𝐮𝐭 𝐢𝐭 𝐢𝐬 𝐛𝐞𝐜𝐚𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐋𝐎𝐑𝐃 𝐥𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐬 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐢𝐬 𝐤𝐞𝐞𝐩𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐨𝐚𝐭𝐡 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐡𝐞 𝐬𝐰𝐨𝐫𝐞 𝐭𝐨 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐟𝐚𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐬, 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐋𝐎𝐑𝐃 𝐡𝐚𝐬 𝐛𝐫𝐨𝐮𝐠𝐡𝐭 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐚 𝐦𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭𝐲 𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐫𝐞𝐝𝐞𝐞𝐦𝐞𝐝 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐟𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐡𝐨𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐬𝐥𝐚𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐲, 𝐟𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐨𝐟 𝐏𝐡𝐚𝐫𝐚𝐨𝐡 𝐤𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐨𝐟 𝐄𝐠𝐲𝐩𝐭. God warned Abraham’s descendants, the nation of Israel, that if they should failto obey God’s commandments that they would no longer receive blessings and would be overtaken by many curses. 𝐃𝐞𝐮𝐭. 𝟐𝟖:𝟏𝟓-𝟏𝟔: 𝐁𝐮𝐭 𝐢𝐟 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐰𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝐨𝐛𝐞𝐲 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐯𝐨𝐢𝐜𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐋𝐎𝐑𝐃 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐆𝐨𝐝 𝐨𝐫 𝐛𝐞 𝐜𝐚𝐫𝐞𝐟𝐮𝐥 𝐭𝐨 𝐝𝐨 𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐦𝐚𝐧𝐝𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐬 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐭𝐮𝐭𝐞𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐈 𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐦𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐭𝐨𝐝𝐚𝐲, 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐧 𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐬𝐞 𝐜𝐮𝐫𝐬𝐞𝐬 𝐬𝐡𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐞 𝐮𝐩𝐨𝐧 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐭𝐚𝐤𝐞 𝐲𝐨𝐮. 𝐂𝐮𝐫𝐬𝐞𝐝 𝐬𝐡𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐛𝐞 𝐢𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐜𝐢𝐭𝐲, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐜𝐮𝐫𝐬𝐞𝐝 𝐬𝐡𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐛𝐞 𝐢𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐟𝐢𝐞𝐥𝐝. God specifically warned Israel that Rome would destroy them as a nation. God told them in 1473 BC—some 1,542 years in advance—that they would be cursed and abandoned as a nation, and would suffer besiegement. This prophecy was fulfilled in 70 AD. [cont’d]
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[2/2] 𝐉𝐞𝐫. 𝟑𝟏:𝟑𝟏-𝟑𝟑:⁣ 𝐁𝐞𝐡𝐨𝐥𝐝, 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐝𝐚𝐲𝐬 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐢𝐧𝐠, 𝐝𝐞𝐜𝐥𝐚𝐫𝐞𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐋𝐎𝐑𝐃, 𝐰𝐡𝐞𝐧 𝐈 𝐰𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐦𝐚𝐤𝐞 𝐚 𝐧𝐞𝐰 𝐜𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐧𝐚𝐧𝐭 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐡𝐨𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐈𝐬𝐫𝐚𝐞𝐥 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐡𝐨𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐉𝐮𝐝𝐚𝐡, 𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝐥𝐢𝐤𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐜𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐧𝐚𝐧𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐈 𝐦𝐚𝐝𝐞 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐢𝐫 𝐟𝐚𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐬 𝐨𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐝𝐚𝐲 𝐰𝐡𝐞𝐧 𝐈 𝐭𝐨𝐨𝐤 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐦 𝐛𝐲 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐨 𝐛𝐫𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐦 𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐥𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐨𝐟 𝐄𝐠𝐲𝐩𝐭, 𝐦𝐲 𝐜𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐧𝐚𝐧𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐛𝐫𝐨𝐤𝐞, 𝐭𝐡𝐨𝐮𝐠𝐡 𝐈 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐢𝐫 𝐡𝐮𝐬𝐛𝐚𝐧𝐝, 𝐝𝐞𝐜𝐥𝐚𝐫𝐞𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐋𝐎𝐑𝐃. 𝐅𝐨𝐫 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐢𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐜𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐧𝐚𝐧𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐈 𝐰𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐦𝐚𝐤𝐞 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐡𝐨𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐈𝐬𝐫𝐚𝐞𝐥 𝐚𝐟𝐭𝐞𝐫 𝐭𝐡𝐨𝐬𝐞 𝐝𝐚𝐲𝐬, 𝐝𝐞𝐜𝐥𝐚𝐫𝐞𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐋𝐎𝐑𝐃: 𝐈 𝐰𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐩𝐮𝐭 𝐦𝐲 𝐥𝐚𝐰 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐦, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐈 𝐰𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐰𝐫𝐢𝐭𝐞 𝐢𝐭 𝐨𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐢𝐫 𝐡𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐭𝐬. 𝐀𝐧𝐝 𝐈 𝐰𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐛𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐢𝐫 𝐆𝐨𝐝, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐬𝐡𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐛𝐞 𝐦𝐲 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞.⁣ ⁣ In 29 AD, when the Lord Jesus Christ was baptized in the Jordan River by his cousin John and anointed by holy spirit by God, a new Israel came into existence. Israel as a nation was no longer God’s chosen people, for God has]d moved on, and so, in connection with the Abrahamic Covenant, God gave the kingdom of God to another “Israel.” When Jesus died in 33 AD, the old covenant came to an end as foretold by the prophet Daniel.⁣ ⁣ 𝐃𝐚𝐧. 𝟗:𝟐𝟕:⁣ 𝐀𝐧𝐝 𝐡𝐞 𝐬𝐡𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐦𝐚𝐤𝐞 𝐚 𝐬𝐭𝐫𝐨𝐧𝐠 𝐜𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐧𝐚𝐧𝐭 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐦𝐚𝐧𝐲 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐰𝐞𝐞𝐤, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐡𝐚𝐥𝐟 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐰𝐞𝐞𝐤 𝐡𝐞 𝐬𝐡𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐩𝐮𝐭 𝐚𝐧 𝐞𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐨 𝐬𝐚𝐜𝐫𝐢𝐟𝐢𝐜𝐞 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐨𝐟𝐟𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐧𝐠.⁣ ⁣ God cancelled ‘the record of debt that stood against the Jews and set it aside, nailing it to the cross.’ (Col. 2:14) Do you not understand what “Christ is the end of the law” means? (Rom. 10:4) The new covenant has been in effect since the “𝐡𝐚𝐥𝐟 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐰𝐞𝐞𝐤” when Jesus died in 33 AD; at which point the old covenant became obsolete.⁣ ⁣ Jesus told the Jews that “the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people producing its fruits. (Matt. 21:43) Jesus dismissed the house of Israel when he told the Jews: “Your house is left to you desolate. For I tell you, you will not see me again, until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’” (Matt 23:38-39)⁣ ⁣ I believe you are confused, for there is now another “Israel,” who are the “children of the promise” that God made to Abraham in the Abrahamic Covenant. (Gen. 22:18) As Paul explains:⁣ ⁣ 𝐑𝐨𝐦. 𝟗:𝟔-𝟖:⁣ 𝐅𝐨𝐫 𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐝𝐞𝐬𝐜𝐞𝐧𝐝𝐞𝐝 𝐟𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐈𝐬𝐫𝐚𝐞𝐥 𝐛𝐞𝐥𝐨𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐨 𝐈𝐬𝐫𝐚𝐞𝐥, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐥𝐝𝐫𝐞𝐧 𝐨𝐟 𝐀𝐛𝐫𝐚𝐡𝐚𝐦 𝐛𝐞𝐜𝐚𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐨𝐟𝐟𝐬𝐩𝐫𝐢𝐧𝐠, 𝐛𝐮𝐭 “𝐓𝐡𝐫𝐨𝐮𝐠𝐡 𝐈𝐬𝐚𝐚𝐜 𝐬𝐡𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐨𝐟𝐟𝐬𝐩𝐫𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐛𝐞 𝐧𝐚𝐦𝐞𝐝.” 𝐓𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐦𝐞𝐚𝐧𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐢𝐭 𝐢𝐬 𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐥𝐝𝐫𝐞𝐧 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐟𝐥𝐞𝐬𝐡 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐥𝐝𝐫𝐞𝐧 𝐨𝐟 𝐆𝐨𝐝, 𝐛𝐮𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐥𝐝𝐫𝐞𝐧 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐩𝐫𝐨𝐦𝐢𝐬𝐞 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐜𝐨𝐮𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐝 𝐚𝐬 𝐨𝐟𝐟𝐬𝐩𝐫𝐢𝐧𝐠.⁣
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@ARS38171688: [1/2] 𝘙𝘰𝘮𝘢𝘯𝘴 11:1–2: “𝘏𝘢𝘴 𝘎𝘰𝘥 𝘳𝘦𝘫𝘦𝘤𝘵𝘦𝘥 𝘏𝘪𝘴 𝘱𝘦𝘰𝘱𝘭𝘦? 𝘉𝘺 𝘯𝘰 𝘮𝘦𝘢𝘯𝘴.” 𝘛𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘢𝘭𝘰𝘯𝘦 𝘴𝘩𝘶𝐭𝘵𝘴 𝘥𝘰𝘸𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘪𝘥𝘦𝘢 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘰𝘵𝘢𝘭 𝘳𝘦𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘤𝘦𝘮𝘦𝘯𝘵. 𝘑𝘦𝘳𝘦𝘮𝘪𝘢𝘩 31:31–33 [𝐭𝘩𝘦] “𝘯𝘦𝘸 𝘤𝘰𝘷𝘦𝘯𝘢𝘯𝘵” You seem to enjoy talking about things you neither know or understand. Perhaps the following will explain some of what things you clearly do not understand. In Romans 11, the apostle Paul compares Abraham’s seed to the branches of an olive tree. (Rom. 11:21) This tree represents the fulfillment of the Abrahamic Covenant. The root of the tree is holy and represents God, who gives life to the tree's branches, the Israel of God. (Rom. 11:16) The trunk represents Jesus, the primary part of Abraham’s offspring/seed, and the branches that includes the remnant represent “the fullness” of those included in the secondary part of this seed. (Isa. 10:20; Rom. 11:12)⁣⁣ ⁣⁣ The natural Jews that rejected Jesus are the branches that were “broken off" the olive tree (Rom. 11:17), which means that they lost the opportunity to become part of Abraham’s seed. But who would replace those branches? John the Baptist said something very interesting: "Do not begin to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham." (Luke 3:8)⁣⁣ ⁣⁣ Branches from a wild olive tree were grafted onto the olive tree to replace the branches that have been broken off. (Rom. 11:17-18) IOW Gentile Christians would be grafted into the olive tree and so they join the Christian Jewish remnant as the secondary part of Abraham’s seed. God broke off the natural branches, which opened the way to these wild olive branches to become spiritual Jews, and their praise comes from God. (Rom. 2:28-29)⁣⁣ ⁣⁣ The "Israel of God" (Gal.6:16) are the Christians that became the 'children of the promise that are counted by God as Abraham's seed.' The Israel of God is "a royal priesthood, a holy nation," and they are now "God's people" that "have received mercy." (1 Pet. 2:9-10)⁣⁣ ⁣⁣ The natural Jews still have the opportunity to become part of the Abraham's seed, for if they "do not continue in their unbelief, … the natural branches [will] be grafted back into their own olive tree" by God. (Rom. 11:23-24)⁣ God has rendered judgment and he has chosen those who he will count as Abraham's seed, "the Israel of God," and how inscrutable are his ways! Indeed, "𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐠𝐢𝐟𝐭𝐬 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐜𝐚𝐥𝐥𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐨𝐟 𝐆𝐨𝐝 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐢𝐫𝐫𝐞𝐯𝐨𝐜𝐚𝐛𝐥𝐞." (Rom. 11:29, 33; Gal. 6:16)⁣ ⁣⁣ As Rom. 5:10 says, “For if while we were enemies [of the gospel] we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life.” Rom. 11:28 says, “As regards the gospel, [the natural Jews] are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, [the Jewish remnant] are beloved for the sake of their forefathers.” (Rom. 11:28)⁣⁣⁣⁣ Again, I said nothing about the replacement of 𝐚𝐧𝐲 religious system. The old Law Covenant is no longer in effect. When the nation of Israel broke the Law of Moses in 607 BC, God foretold through the prophet Jeremiah that that old covenant would be superseded by the 𝐧𝐞𝐰 covenant. ⁣ [cont’d]
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@ARS38171688: 𝘠𝘰𝘶𝘳 𝘧𝘳𝘢𝘮𝘦𝘸𝘰𝘳𝘬 𝘣𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘬𝘴 𝘢𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘧𝘰𝘶𝘯𝘥𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯. To what “framework” do you refer/ 𝘚𝘢𝘺𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘠𝘢𝘩𝘸𝘦𝘩 𝘳𝘦𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘤𝘦𝘥 𝘐𝘴𝘳𝘢𝘦𝘭 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘢 𝘯𝘦𝘸 𝘳𝘦𝘭𝘪𝘨𝘪𝘰𝘶𝘴 𝘴𝘺𝘴𝘵𝘦𝘮 𝘪𝘴 𝘙𝘦𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘤𝘦𝘮𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘛𝘩𝘦𝘰𝘭𝘰𝘨𝘺. What “religious system”? I did not say that 𝐚𝐧𝐲 religious system was replaced. 𝘎𝘦𝘯𝘦𝘴𝘪𝘴 15 & 22 𝘴𝘩𝘰𝘸 𝘢 𝘶𝘯𝘪𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘢𝘭 𝘰𝘢𝘵𝘩. 𝘈 𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘮𝘪𝘴𝘦 𝘠𝘢𝘩𝘸𝘦𝘩 𝘮𝘢𝘬𝘦𝘴 𝘥𝘰𝘦𝘴𝘯’𝘵 𝘤𝘰𝘭𝘭𝘢𝘱𝘴𝘦 𝘣𝘦𝘤𝘢𝘶𝘴𝘦 𝘱𝘦𝘰𝘱𝘭𝘦 𝘧𝘢𝘪𝘭. God made a covenant with Abraham and to his descendants, not to the 12 tribes of Israel, not to the house of Israel and the house of Jacob, but to Christ and to Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise. (Gal. 3:16, 29) Rom. 9:6 says: “Not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel.” The “Israel of God” (Gal. 6:16) are Christians, a spiritual Israel. Christianity has not a thing to do with the Jews, with Judaism or with the Jewish state.⁣
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@wpcguy @YahwehGraced Your framework breaks at the foundation. Saying Yahweh replaced Israel with a new religious system is Replacement Theology. Genesis 15 & 22 show a unilateral oath. A promise Yahweh makes doesn’t collapse because people fail.
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@YahwehGraced: [1/5] 𝘌𝘭𝘰𝘩𝘪𝘮’𝘴 (𝘎𝘰𝘥𝘴’) 𝘤𝘩𝘰𝘴𝘦𝘯 𝘱𝘦𝘰𝘱𝘭𝘦 𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘭𝘭 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘐𝘴𝘳𝘢𝘦𝘭𝘪𝘵𝘦𝘴. You are mistaken; Israel is no longer God’s chosen people. With reference to the Jews at Matt. 23:38, Jesus stated: “Your house is left to you desolate.” In fact,God entered into a covenant with the patriarch Abraham promising to bless and multiply his offspring because of Abraham’s faith. This promise is called the “Abrahamic Covenant.” 𝐆𝐞𝐧. 𝟐𝟐:𝟏𝟕-𝟏𝟖: 𝐈 𝐰𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐬𝐮𝐫𝐞𝐥𝐲 𝐛𝐥𝐞𝐬𝐬 𝐲𝐨𝐮, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐈 𝐰𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐬𝐮𝐫𝐞𝐥𝐲 𝐦𝐮𝐥𝐭𝐢𝐩𝐥𝐲 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐨𝐟𝐟𝐬𝐩𝐫𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐚𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐫𝐬 𝐨𝐟 𝐡𝐞𝐚𝐯𝐞𝐧 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐚𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐬𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐢𝐬 𝐨𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐬𝐞𝐚𝐬𝐡𝐨𝐫𝐞. 𝐀𝐧𝐝 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐨𝐟𝐟𝐬𝐩𝐫𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐬𝐡𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐩𝐨𝐬𝐬𝐞𝐬𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐠𝐚𝐭𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐞𝐧𝐞𝐦𝐢𝐞𝐬, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐢𝐧 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐨𝐟𝐟𝐬𝐩𝐫𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐬𝐡𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐧𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐬 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐭𝐡 𝐛𝐞 𝐛𝐥𝐞𝐬𝐬𝐞𝐝, 𝐛𝐞𝐜𝐚𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐡𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐨𝐛𝐞𝐲𝐞𝐝 𝐦𝐲 𝐯𝐨𝐢𝐜𝐞. With respect to the Abrahamic Covenant, some 400 years later, God told the descendants of Abraham through Moses that they had been chosen to be his people based on “the oath that he swore to [their] fathers,” Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. 𝐃𝐞𝐮𝐭. 𝟕:𝟔-𝟖: “𝐅𝐨𝐫 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐚 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞 𝐡𝐨𝐥𝐲 𝐭𝐨 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐋𝐎𝐑𝐃 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐆𝐨𝐝. 𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐋𝐎𝐑𝐃 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐆𝐨𝐝 𝐡𝐚𝐬 𝐜𝐡𝐨𝐬𝐞𝐧 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐭𝐨 𝐛𝐞 𝐚 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐭𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐬𝐮𝐫𝐞𝐝 𝐩𝐨𝐬𝐬𝐞𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐨𝐧, 𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐨𝐟 𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞𝐬 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐨𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐟𝐚𝐜𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐭𝐡. 𝐈𝐭 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝐛𝐞𝐜𝐚𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐰𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐞 𝐢𝐧 𝐧𝐮𝐦𝐛𝐞𝐫 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐧 𝐚𝐧𝐲 𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐋𝐎𝐑𝐃 𝐬𝐞𝐭 𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐥𝐨𝐯𝐞 𝐨𝐧 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐜𝐡𝐨𝐬𝐞 𝐲𝐨𝐮, 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐰𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐟𝐞𝐰𝐞𝐬𝐭 𝐨𝐟 𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞𝐬, 𝐛𝐮𝐭 𝐢𝐭 𝐢𝐬 𝐛𝐞𝐜𝐚𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐋𝐎𝐑𝐃 𝐥𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐬 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐢𝐬 𝐤𝐞𝐞𝐩𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐨𝐚𝐭𝐡 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐡𝐞 𝐬𝐰𝐨𝐫𝐞 𝐭𝐨 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐟𝐚𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐬, 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐋𝐎𝐑𝐃 𝐡𝐚𝐬 𝐛𝐫𝐨𝐮𝐠𝐡𝐭 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐚 𝐦𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭𝐲 𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐫𝐞𝐝𝐞𝐞𝐦𝐞𝐝 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐟𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐡𝐨𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐬𝐥𝐚𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐲, 𝐟𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐨𝐟 𝐏𝐡𝐚𝐫𝐚𝐨𝐡 𝐤𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐨𝐟 𝐄𝐠𝐲𝐩𝐭. God warned Abraham’s descendants, the nation of Israel, that if they should failto obey God’s commandments that they would no longer receive blessings and would be overtaken by many curses. 𝐃𝐞𝐮𝐭. 𝟐𝟖:𝟏𝟓-𝟏𝟔: 𝐁𝐮𝐭 𝐢𝐟 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐰𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝐨𝐛𝐞𝐲 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐯𝐨𝐢𝐜𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐋𝐎𝐑𝐃 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐆𝐨𝐝 𝐨𝐫 𝐛𝐞 𝐜𝐚𝐫𝐞𝐟𝐮𝐥 𝐭𝐨 𝐝𝐨 𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐦𝐚𝐧𝐝𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐬 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐭𝐮𝐭𝐞𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐈 𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐦𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐭𝐨𝐝𝐚𝐲, 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐧 𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐬𝐞 𝐜𝐮𝐫𝐬𝐞𝐬 𝐬𝐡𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐞 𝐮𝐩𝐨𝐧 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐭𝐚𝐤𝐞 𝐲𝐨𝐮. 𝐂𝐮𝐫𝐬𝐞𝐝 𝐬𝐡𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐛𝐞 𝐢𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐜𝐢𝐭𝐲, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐜𝐮𝐫𝐬𝐞𝐝 𝐬𝐡𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐛𝐞 𝐢𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐟𝐢𝐞𝐥𝐝. God specifically warned Israel that Rome would destroy them as a nation. God told them in 1473 BC—some 1,542 years in advance—that they would be cursed and abandoned as a nation, and would suffer besiegement. This prophecy was fulfilled in 70 AD. [cont’d]

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Elohim’s (Gods’) chosen people are still the Israelites. Not a replacement group called “Christians.” Not the Catholic Church. Not the Protestants. Not the LDS. Not the Pentecostal Mission. Not the Jehovah’s Witnesses or the Bible Students. Not any nations: Roman, British or American The Qahal (or Eklessia / Congregation) didn’t start in Acts. Moses and the prophets already laid the foundation at Sinai. The apostles didn’t invent a new religion, they stood on that same foundation under Yeshua, the cornerstone. “Church started in the New Testament” is just ignorance of your own Scriptures. built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone,  (Ephesians 2:20, ESV)
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[5/5] There was a certain woman that dwelt beyond Jordan; her name was Mary; her father was Eleazar; of the village Bethezob; which signifies the house of Hyssop.… What she had treasured up besides, as also what food she had contrived to save, had been also carried off by the rapacious guards, who came every day running into her house for that purpose.… [T]he famine pierced through her very bowels, and marrow. When also her passion was fired to a degree beyond the famine itself. Nor did she consult with any thing but with her passion, and the necessity she was in. She then attempted a most unnatural thing: and snatching up her son, which was a child sucking at her breast, she said, “O thou miserable infant! for whom shall I preserve thee, in this war, this famine, and this sedition? As to the war with the Romans, if they preserve our lives, we must be slaves. This famine also will destroy us.… Come on. Be thou my food: and be thou a fury to these seditious varlets, and a by-word to the world. Which is all that is now wanting to compleat the calamities of us Jews.” As soon as she had said this, she slew her son; and then roasted him; and eat the one half of him; and kept the other half by her concealed. Upon this the seditious came in presently; and smelling the horrid scent of this food, they threatened her, that they would cut her throat immediately, if she did not shew them what food she had gotten ready. She replied, that “She had saved a very fine portion of it for them:” and withal uncovered what was left of her son. Hereupon they were seized with an horror, and amazement of mind, and stood astonished at the sight: when she said to them, “This is mine own son: and what hath been done was mine own doing. Come, eat of this food: for I have eaten of it myself. Do not you pretend to be either more tender than a woman, or more compassionate than a mother. But if you be so scrupulous and do abominate this my sacrifice; as I have eaten the one half, let the rest be reserved for me also.” (Antiquities, VI, iii, 4.) When the siege was over, the toll in lives lost was tremendous. Some 1,100,000 were dead, most of these having perished from pestilence and starvation. Captives taken from the start to the end of the war numbered about 97,000. The tallest and handsomest youths were kept for the triumphal procession. As for the rest, many were sent off to do hard labor in Egypt or Rome; others were presented to the Roman provinces to perish in the arenas. Those Jews under seventeen were sold. ⁣⁣ Call me antisemitic or call me politically astute, but, politics aside, today’s Israel bears no resemblance to the Israel that was destroyed along with Solomon’s temple by the Babylonians in 607 BC, and not to the Israel that was destroyed along with Herod’s temple by the Romans in 70 AD, which led to the diaspora.⁣⁣ Let me comment a little on the Israel that rejected God’s Messiah, and both conspired to and did put him to death when he was a human, and was accordingly rejected by God so that its house was left desolate and destroyed as distinguished from the Jewish state that became such in 1948.⁣ ⁣ Rom. 9:6 says: “Not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel.” The “Israel of God” (Gal. 6:16) are Christians, but the Israelis are 𝐧𝐨𝐭 Christians. Christianity has not a thing to do with Judaism or the Jewish state.⁣ ⁣⁣⁣ The Jews had inhabited Palestine in the region where the Roman provinces of Galilee, Judea, Samaria, Gaza, Joppa and Perea were located, but after 70 AD they were dispersed from its ancestral homeland to Africa, Asia and Europe, and suffered persecution in Germany, Russia, Eastern Europe, Dhimmitude, the Spanish Inquisition, and were scapegoated for the Black Plague and the Black Death., just as foretold at Deut. 28:49-52. So whether Israel has a right to exist is a non-issue when there is no question that Israel exists in the Middle East just as the US, Germany, France and China exist.⁣⁣⁣
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[4/5] 𝐀𝐧𝐝 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐬𝐡𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐛𝐞 𝐩𝐥𝐮𝐜𝐤𝐞𝐝 𝐨𝐟𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐥𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐨 𝐭𝐚𝐤𝐞 𝐩𝐨𝐬𝐬𝐞𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐨𝐟 𝐢𝐭. “𝐀𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐋𝐎𝐑𝐃 𝐰𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐬𝐜𝐚𝐭𝐭𝐞𝐫 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐚𝐦𝐨𝐧𝐠 𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞𝐬, 𝐟𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐞𝐧𝐝 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐭𝐡 𝐭𝐨 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐬𝐡𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐬𝐞𝐫𝐯𝐞 𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫 𝐠𝐨𝐝𝐬 𝐨𝐟 𝐰𝐨𝐨𝐝 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐬𝐭𝐨𝐧𝐞, 𝐰𝐡𝐢𝐜𝐡 𝐧𝐞𝐢𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐧𝐨𝐫 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐟𝐚𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐬 𝐡𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐤𝐧𝐨𝐰𝐧. 𝐀𝐧𝐝 𝐚𝐦𝐨𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐬𝐞 𝐧𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐬 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐬𝐡𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐟𝐢𝐧𝐝 𝐧𝐨 𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐩𝐢𝐭𝐞, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐬𝐡𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐛𝐞 𝐧𝐨 𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐩𝐥𝐚𝐜𝐞 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐬𝐨𝐥𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐟𝐨𝐨𝐭, 𝐛𝐮𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐋𝐎𝐑𝐃 𝐰𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐠𝐢𝐯𝐞 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐚 𝐭𝐫𝐞𝐦𝐛𝐥𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐡𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐭 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐟𝐚𝐢𝐥𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐞𝐲𝐞𝐬 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐚 𝐥𝐚𝐧𝐠𝐮𝐢𝐬𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐬𝐨𝐮𝐥. 𝐘𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐥𝐢𝐟𝐞 𝐬𝐡𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐠 𝐢𝐧 𝐝𝐨𝐮𝐛𝐭 𝐛𝐞𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐞 𝐲𝐨𝐮. 𝐍𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐝𝐚𝐲 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐬𝐡𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐛𝐞 𝐢𝐧 𝐝𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐝 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐡𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐧𝐨 𝐚𝐬𝐬𝐮𝐫𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐥𝐢𝐟𝐞. 𝐈𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐧𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐬𝐡𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐬𝐚𝐲, ‘𝐈𝐟 𝐨𝐧𝐥𝐲 𝐢𝐭 𝐰𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐧𝐢𝐧𝐠!’ 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐚𝐭 𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐧𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐬𝐡𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐬𝐚𝐲, ‘𝐈𝐟 𝐨𝐧𝐥𝐲 𝐢𝐭 𝐰𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐧𝐢𝐧𝐠!’ 𝐛𝐞𝐜𝐚𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐝𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐡𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐭 𝐬𝐡𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐟𝐞𝐞𝐥, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐬𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐞𝐲𝐞𝐬 𝐬𝐡𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐬𝐞𝐞. 𝐀𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐋𝐎𝐑𝐃 𝐰𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐛𝐫𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐛𝐚𝐜𝐤 𝐢𝐧 𝐬𝐡𝐢𝐩𝐬 𝐭𝐨 𝐄𝐠𝐲𝐩𝐭, 𝐚 𝐣𝐨𝐮𝐫𝐧𝐞𝐲 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐈 𝐩𝐫𝐨𝐦𝐢𝐬𝐞𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐬𝐡𝐨𝐮𝐥𝐝 𝐧𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐫 𝐦𝐚𝐤𝐞 𝐚𝐠𝐚𝐢𝐧; 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐬𝐡𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐨𝐟𝐟𝐞𝐫 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫𝐬𝐞𝐥𝐯𝐞𝐬 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐬𝐚𝐥𝐞 𝐭𝐨 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐞𝐧𝐞𝐦𝐢𝐞𝐬 𝐚𝐬 𝐦𝐚𝐥𝐞 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐟𝐞𝐦𝐚𝐥𝐞 𝐬𝐥𝐚𝐯𝐞𝐬, 𝐛𝐮𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐰𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐛𝐞 𝐧𝐨 𝐛𝐮𝐲𝐞𝐫.” 𝐃𝐞𝐮𝐭. 𝟑𝟎:𝟏𝟓-𝟐𝟎: “𝐒𝐞𝐞, 𝐈 𝐡𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐬𝐞𝐭 𝐛𝐞𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐞 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐭𝐨𝐝𝐚𝐲 𝐥𝐢𝐟𝐞 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐠𝐨𝐨𝐝, 𝐝𝐞𝐚𝐭𝐡 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐞𝐯𝐢𝐥. 𝐈𝐟 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐨𝐛𝐞𝐲 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐦𝐚𝐧𝐝𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐬 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐋𝐎𝐑𝐃 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐆𝐨𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐈 𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐦𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐭𝐨𝐝𝐚𝐲, 𝐛𝐲 𝐥𝐨𝐯𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐋𝐎𝐑𝐃 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐆𝐨𝐝, 𝐛𝐲 𝐰𝐚𝐥𝐤𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐢𝐧 𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐰𝐚𝐲𝐬, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐛𝐲 𝐤𝐞𝐞𝐩𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐦𝐚𝐧𝐝𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐬 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐭𝐮𝐭𝐞𝐬 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐫𝐮𝐥𝐞𝐬, 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐧 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐬𝐡𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐥𝐢𝐯𝐞 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐦𝐮𝐥𝐭𝐢𝐩𝐥𝐲, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐋𝐎𝐑𝐃 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐆𝐨𝐝 𝐰𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐛𝐥𝐞𝐬𝐬 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐢𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐥𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐨 𝐭𝐚𝐤𝐞 𝐩𝐨𝐬𝐬𝐞𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐨𝐟 𝐢𝐭. 𝐁𝐮𝐭 𝐢𝐟 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐡𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐭 𝐭𝐮𝐫𝐧𝐬 𝐚𝐰𝐚𝐲, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐰𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝐡𝐞𝐚𝐫, 𝐛𝐮𝐭 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐝𝐫𝐚𝐰𝐧 𝐚𝐰𝐚𝐲 𝐭𝐨 𝐰𝐨𝐫𝐬𝐡𝐢𝐩 𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫 𝐠𝐨𝐝𝐬 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐬𝐞𝐫𝐯𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐦, 𝐈 𝐝𝐞𝐜𝐥𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐭𝐨 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐭𝐨𝐝𝐚𝐲, 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐬𝐡𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐬𝐮𝐫𝐞𝐥𝐲 𝐩𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐬𝐡. 𝐘𝐨𝐮 𝐬𝐡𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝐥𝐢𝐯𝐞 𝐥𝐨𝐧𝐠 𝐢𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐥𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐠𝐨𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐉𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐚𝐧 𝐭𝐨 𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐫 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐩𝐨𝐬𝐬𝐞𝐬𝐬. 𝐈 𝐜𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐡𝐞𝐚𝐯𝐞𝐧 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐭𝐡 𝐭𝐨 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐧𝐞𝐬𝐬 𝐚𝐠𝐚𝐢𝐧𝐬𝐭 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐭𝐨𝐝𝐚𝐲, 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐈 𝐡𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐬𝐞𝐭 𝐛𝐞𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐞 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐥𝐢𝐟𝐞 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐝𝐞𝐚𝐭𝐡, 𝐛𝐥𝐞𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐜𝐮𝐫𝐬𝐞. 𝐓𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐞 𝐜𝐡𝐨𝐨𝐬𝐞 𝐥𝐢𝐟𝐞, 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐨𝐟𝐟𝐬𝐩𝐫𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐦𝐚𝐲 𝐥𝐢𝐯𝐞, 𝐥𝐨𝐯𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐋𝐎𝐑𝐃 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐆𝐨𝐝, 𝐨𝐛𝐞𝐲𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐯𝐨𝐢𝐜𝐞 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐡𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐟𝐚𝐬𝐭 𝐭𝐨 𝐡𝐢𝐦, 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐡𝐞 𝐢𝐬 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐥𝐢𝐟𝐞 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐥𝐞𝐧𝐠𝐭𝐡 𝐨𝐟 𝐝𝐚𝐲𝐬, 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐦𝐚𝐲 𝐝𝐰𝐞𝐥𝐥 𝐢𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐥𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐋𝐎𝐑𝐃 𝐬𝐰𝐨𝐫𝐞 𝐭𝐨 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐟𝐚𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐬, 𝐭𝐨 𝐀𝐛𝐫𝐚𝐡𝐚𝐦, 𝐭𝐨 𝐈𝐬𝐚𝐚𝐜, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐨 𝐉𝐚𝐜𝐨𝐛, 𝐭𝐨 𝐠𝐢𝐯𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐦.” [cont’d]
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@IamJehovah99999 @Biblicalman 𝘈𝘥𝘢𝘮, 𝘌𝘷𝘦, 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘐𝘴𝘢𝘢𝘤 𝘩𝘢𝘷𝘦 𝘢𝘭𝘭 𝘣𝘦𝘦𝘯 𝘳𝘦𝘴𝘶𝘳𝘳𝘦𝘤𝘵𝘦𝘥.🫵 𝐈𝐅 these people you mention were, in fact, resurrected, they would be living somewhere on this planet. Where are they?
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@wpcguy @Biblicalman ⚠️(there is one thing you must not forget:Jehovah sees a day as a thousand years,and a thousand years as a day.) Adam, Eve, and Isaac have all been resurrected.🫵 I, Jehovah, created the heavens and the earth by my word; and my word is the Holy Spirit.✍️
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@OneDangWolfPack @Biblicalman 😌✍️ Those who despise me, the Lord God, will only face a great flood and an unquenchable fire. (there is one thing you must not forget:Jehovah sees a day as a thousand years,and a thousand years as a day.)🫵

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The tree of the knowledge of good and evil wasn't a tree. Ezekiel 31 tells you what it was. And it changes everything you think happened in the Garden of Eden... .
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𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘵𝘳𝘦𝘦 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘬𝘯𝘰𝘸𝘭𝘦𝘥𝘨𝘦 𝘰𝘧 𝘨𝘰𝘰𝘥 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘦𝘷𝘪𝘭 𝘸𝘢𝘴𝘯'𝘵 𝘢 𝘵𝘳𝘦𝘦. You are mistaken; this fruit tree was a tree that God had designated to Adam as belonging to him, and when Adam violated what God had commanded concerning the eating of the fruit on this tree, he rebelled against divine law, which action was a sin as serious as violating God’s command against adultery, murder or any other divine law. Because violation of divine law is a challenge to God’s right to rule and is punishable by death, Adam forfeited his life and died, and because Adam could not pass on to us, his offspring, a right that Adam forfeited, we were conceived in sin and so we will die.
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𝘎𝘦𝘯𝘦𝘴𝘪𝘴 3:15 — 𝘎𝘰𝘥 𝘵𝘦𝘭𝘭𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘴𝘦𝘳𝘱𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦 𝘸𝘪𝘭𝘭 𝘣𝘦 𝘦𝘯𝘮𝘪𝘵𝘺 𝘣𝘦𝘵𝘸𝘦𝘦𝘯 𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘚𝘌𝘌𝘋 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘩𝘦𝘳 𝘚𝘌𝘌𝘋. 𝘌𝘷𝘦'𝘴 𝘴𝘦𝘦𝘥 𝘪𝘴 𝘱𝘩𝘺𝘴𝘪𝘤𝘢𝘭. 𝘌𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘺 𝘩𝘶𝘮𝘢𝘯 𝘤𝘢𝘮𝘦 𝘧𝘳𝘰𝘮 𝘪𝘵. “Eve’s seed”? No. What you have guessed is incorrect and it is clear to me that you do not have God’s spirit. Put another way, you are someone that lacks the spiritual comprehension necessary to understand the prophecy at Genesis. 3:15. The “woman” to which God refers at Gen. 3:15 wasn’t Eve. The “woman” is heavenly; it is God’s “woman” that gave birth to her “seed,” the male child, the Lord Jesus Christ, God’s firstborn son, and to the rest of the woman’s seed here on earth, namely, Christ’s spiritual brothers in union with him, the ones that “keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.” (Col. 1:2; Rev. 12:13, 17) This seed is 𝐧𝐨𝐭 physical. 𝘚𝘰 𝘸𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘪𝘴 𝘚𝘢𝘵𝘢𝘯'𝘴 𝘴𝘦𝘦𝘥? 𝘎𝘦𝘯𝘦𝘴𝘪𝘴 4 — 𝘈𝘥𝘢𝘮 𝘬𝘯𝘦𝘸 𝘌𝘷𝘦 𝘰𝘯𝘤𝘦. 𝘚𝘩𝘦 𝘣𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘛𝘞𝘖 𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘭𝘥𝘳𝘦𝘯. 𝘖𝘯𝘦 𝘢𝘤𝘵. 𝘛𝘸𝘰 𝘴𝘰𝘯𝘴. 𝘛𝘸𝘰 𝘧𝘢𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘴. 1 𝘑𝘰𝘩𝘯 3:12 — "𝘕𝘰𝘵 𝘢𝘴 𝘊𝘢𝘪𝘯, 𝘸𝘩𝘰 𝘸𝘢𝘴 𝘖𝘍 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘸𝘪𝘤𝘬𝘦𝘥 𝘰𝘯𝘦." No; Satan’s “seed” is a reference to “the children of the devil,” those that serve Satan’s interests, who are “not of God, … [and do] not love [Jesus’ brothers],” that is to say, fellow Christians here on earth. (John 8:44; 1 John 3:10)
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Genesis 3:15 — God tells the serpent there will be enmity between his SEED and her SEED. Eve's seed is physical. Every human came from it. So what is Satan's seed? Genesis 4 — Adam knew Eve once. She bare TWO children. One act. Two sons. Two fathers. 1 John 3:12 — "Not as Cain, who was OF that wicked one."
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@m81687077: 𝘠𝘰𝘶 𝘤𝘪𝘵𝘦𝘥 𝘣𝘪𝘣𝘭𝘪𝘤𝘢𝘭 𝘦𝘷𝘪𝘥𝘦𝘯𝘤𝘦, 𝘣𝘶𝘵 𝘢𝘴 𝘧𝘢𝘳 𝘢𝘴 𝘐 𝘶𝘯𝘥𝘦𝘳𝘴𝘵𝘢𝘯𝘥, 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘉𝘪𝘣𝘭𝘦 𝘴𝘶𝘱𝘱𝘰𝘳𝘵𝘴 𝘢 𝘛𝘳𝘪𝘯𝘪𝘵𝘢𝘳𝘪𝘢𝘯 𝘦𝘹𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘯𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘧 𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘭𝘪𝘵𝘺. "A Trinitarian explanation of reality"? You clearly do not understand the Bible to support any explanation of the Trinity doctrine "of reality." As far as you understand, where specifically can such a "Trinitarian explanation of reality" be found in the Bible?
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@wpcguy @RevesJM Mine was not actually a question about your or anyone else's ability to explain it, but rather the perspective itself. You cited biblical evidence, but as far as I understand, the Bible supports a Trinitarian explanation of reality. Do you disagree?
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Problems for the trinity that trinitarians claim are “not problems”. Day 17.
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[1/2] @Zephyrgold58: 𝘌𝘷𝘰𝘭𝘶𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘪𝘴 𝘣𝘢𝘴𝘦𝘥 𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘣𝘴𝘦𝘳𝘷𝘦𝘥 𝘱𝘳𝘪𝘯𝘤𝘪𝘱𝘭𝘦𝘴 𝘰𝘧 𝘯𝘢𝘵𝘶𝘳𝘦, 𝘧𝘰𝘶𝘯𝘥 𝘧𝘰𝘴𝘴𝘪𝘭𝘴 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘤𝘰𝘮𝘱𝘢𝘳𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘷𝘦 𝘢𝘯𝘢𝘵𝘰𝘮𝘺. 𝘛𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨𝘴 𝘭𝘪𝘬𝘦 𝘴𝘶𝘳𝘷𝘪𝘷𝘢𝘭 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘳𝘦𝘱𝘭𝘪𝘤𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘢 𝘱𝘳𝘪𝘮𝘢𝘳𝘺 𝘥𝘳𝘪𝘷𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘧𝘢𝘤𝘵𝘰𝘳 𝘰𝘧 𝘸𝘩𝘺 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘩𝘰𝘸 𝘴𝘱𝘦𝘤𝘪𝘦𝘴 𝘦𝘷𝘰𝘭𝘷𝘦 𝘰𝘷𝘦𝘳 𝘵𝘪𝘮𝘦, 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘳𝘢𝘯𝘥𝘰𝘮 𝘮𝘶𝘵𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘴 𝘧𝘰𝘤𝘶𝘴𝘦𝘥 𝘢𝘳𝘰𝘶𝘯𝘥 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘪𝘥𝘦𝘢 𝘰𝘧 𝘣𝘦𝘵𝘵𝘦𝘳 𝘢𝘥𝘢𝘱𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘰 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘸𝘰𝘳𝘭𝘥 𝘢𝘳𝘰𝘶𝘯𝘥 𝘪𝘵 𝘣𝘢𝘴𝘦𝘥 𝘰𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘴𝘦 𝘱𝘳𝘪𝘯𝘤𝘪𝘱𝘭𝘦𝘴. 𝘐𝘵 𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘺 𝘪𝘴 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘰𝘯 𝘪𝘮𝘢𝘨𝘪𝘯𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘸𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘯𝘢𝘵𝘶𝘳𝘦 𝘪𝘴 𝘪𝘵 𝘪𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘴𝘵𝘶𝘥𝘺 𝘰𝘧 𝘭𝘪𝘧𝘦’𝘴 𝘫𝘰𝘶𝘳𝘯𝘦𝘺. 𝘐𝘧 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘸𝘢𝘯𝘵 𝘵𝘰 𝘵𝘢𝘭𝘬 𝘢𝘣𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘣𝘦𝘭𝘪𝘦𝘧, 𝘭𝘦𝘵'𝘴 𝘵𝘢𝘭𝘬 𝘢𝘣𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘊𝘩𝘳𝘪𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘢𝘯𝘪𝘵𝘺..... @CricketSurfing: 𝘌𝘷𝘰𝘭𝘶𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘪𝘴 𝘢 𝘸𝘦𝘭𝘭 𝘦𝘴𝘵𝘢𝘣𝘭𝘪𝘴𝘩𝘦𝘥 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘰𝘳𝘺 𝘣𝘢𝘴𝘦𝘥 𝘰𝘯 𝘦𝘷𝘪𝘥𝘦𝘯𝘤𝘦. 𝘐𝘵 𝘱𝘰𝘴𝘦𝘴 𝘯𝘰 𝘴𝘱𝘦𝘤𝘪𝘢𝘭 𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘣𝘭𝘦𝘮 𝘵𝘰 𝘤𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯, 𝘴𝘰 𝘐 𝘢𝘮 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘴𝘶𝘳𝘦 𝘸𝘩𝘺 𝘪𝘵 𝘪𝘴 𝘤𝘰𝘯𝘵𝘳𝘰𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘴𝘪𝘢𝘭. To what “observed principles of nature” do you refer? What does the fossil record or comparative anatomy prove about evolution? You say survival and replication to be “a primary driving factor … [as to] why and how species evolve over time.” You say that the reason species evolve over time is because of the survival of what in nature and the replication of what in nature? Now @CricketSurfing describes evolution as “a well established theory based on evidence,” which is defined generally as allele [gene] frequencies that changes over time by natural selection driven by common descent with modification. It is said that it is by means of such changes in these allele frequencies in a population over time that new species emerge. However, no one has 𝐄𝐕𝐄𝐑 observed natural selection cause one species to evolve into another species. However, evolution doesn’t happen in individuals nor does it occur across populations either. For example, no one has EVER observed evidence of a whale transitioning into a hippopotamus across populations. As a scientist, I have a problem with your statement that the ToE is “based on evidence” since no one has ever observed such occurring. 𝐍𝐎 𝐎𝐍𝐄. @Zephyrgold58 makes mention of random mutations based on “observed principles of nature” in his post, and yet while botanist Hugo de Vries has explained the arrival of small, inheritable changes in life forms by mutations, science has discovered that these rare mutations are harmful, not helpful, and that they could possibly account for a degeneration or deterioration, a devolution 𝐝𝐨𝐰𝐧𝐰𝐚𝐫𝐝, but not an evolution 𝐮𝐩𝐰𝐚𝐫𝐝. Once @Zephyrgold58 has told me what “principles of nature” have been 𝐨𝐛𝐬𝐞𝐫𝐯𝐞𝐝, I can explain how everything in the universe will decay into simpler and simpler states until what is termed "thermodynamic equilibrium" is finally reached.⁣⁣ In physics, entropy is the measure of the disorder of a system. A system’s entropy increases as it moves from an ordered, organized, and planned state towards a more disordered, dispersed, and unplanned one. The more disorder there is in a system, the higher its entropy is.⁣⁣⁣ I would also explain how the ToE ignores this fundamental law of physics and totally contradicts the second law of thermodynamics, and says that disordered, dispersed, and lifeless atoms and molecules spontaneously came together over time, in a particular order, to form extremely complex molecules such as proteins, DNA, and RNA, whereupon millions of different living species with even more complex structures gradually emerged.⁣⁣⁣ As a scientist, I cannot ignore the second law, which debunks the ToE. [cont’d]

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Evolution is based on observed principles of nature, found fossils and comparative anatomy. Things like survival and replication are a primary driving factor of why and how species evolve over time, and random mutations focused around the idea of better adapting to the world around it based on these principles. It really is not on imagining what nature is it is the study of life’s journey. If you want to talk about belief, let's talk about Christianity.....
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Evolution is a belief system predicated on blind faith.
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[2/2] Furthermore, no ⁣evidence exists proving that mutations cause new information to be added to the genome of a new species instead of a loss of information that produces the death of an organism. For example, there exists no 𝐞𝐦𝐩𝐢𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐥 evidence that a hippopotamus was created by natural selection based on the mutations in some environment. Natural selection doesn’t create anything; it is just a metaphor. I’m a learned Bible scholar, an expert on what the Bible teaches about Christianity, so it would be best if both of “you guys” would just focus on the things you can prove and not pretend to have an understanding of the Bible when discussing the ToE, which has nothing to do with Christianity or with creation. Frankly, I have no idea why it was “you guys” even brought these things up.
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[1/2] @Zephyrgold58: 𝘌𝘷𝘰𝘭𝘶𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘪𝘴 𝘣𝘢𝘴𝘦𝘥 𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘣𝘴𝘦𝘳𝘷𝘦𝘥 𝘱𝘳𝘪𝘯𝘤𝘪𝘱𝘭𝘦𝘴 𝘰𝘧 𝘯𝘢𝘵𝘶𝘳𝘦, 𝘧𝘰𝘶𝘯𝘥 𝘧𝘰𝘴𝘴𝘪𝘭𝘴 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘤𝘰𝘮𝘱𝘢𝘳𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘷𝘦 𝘢𝘯𝘢𝘵𝘰𝘮𝘺. 𝘛𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨𝘴 𝘭𝘪𝘬𝘦 𝘴𝘶𝘳𝘷𝘪𝘷𝘢𝘭 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘳𝘦𝘱𝘭𝘪𝘤𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘢 𝘱𝘳𝘪𝘮𝘢𝘳𝘺 𝘥𝘳𝘪𝘷𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘧𝘢𝘤𝘵𝘰𝘳 𝘰𝘧 𝘸𝘩𝘺 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘩𝘰𝘸 𝘴𝘱𝘦𝘤𝘪𝘦𝘴 𝘦𝘷𝘰𝘭𝘷𝘦 𝘰𝘷𝘦𝘳 𝘵𝘪𝘮𝘦, 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘳𝘢𝘯𝘥𝘰𝘮 𝘮𝘶𝘵𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘴 𝘧𝘰𝘤𝘶𝘴𝘦𝘥 𝘢𝘳𝘰𝘶𝘯𝘥 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘪𝘥𝘦𝘢 𝘰𝘧 𝘣𝘦𝘵𝘵𝘦𝘳 𝘢𝘥𝘢𝘱𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘰 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘸𝘰𝘳𝘭𝘥 𝘢𝘳𝘰𝘶𝘯𝘥 𝘪𝘵 𝘣𝘢𝘴𝘦𝘥 𝘰𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘴𝘦 𝘱𝘳𝘪𝘯𝘤𝘪𝘱𝘭𝘦𝘴. 𝘐𝘵 𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘺 𝘪𝘴 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘰𝘯 𝘪𝘮𝘢𝘨𝘪𝘯𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘸𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘯𝘢𝘵𝘶𝘳𝘦 𝘪𝘴 𝘪𝘵 𝘪𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘴𝘵𝘶𝘥𝘺 𝘰𝘧 𝘭𝘪𝘧𝘦’𝘴 𝘫𝘰𝘶𝘳𝘯𝘦𝘺. 𝘐𝘧 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘸𝘢𝘯𝘵 𝘵𝘰 𝘵𝘢𝘭𝘬 𝘢𝘣𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘣𝘦𝘭𝘪𝘦𝘧, 𝘭𝘦𝘵'𝘴 𝘵𝘢𝘭𝘬 𝘢𝘣𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘊𝘩𝘳𝘪𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘢𝘯𝘪𝘵𝘺..... @CricketSurfing: 𝘌𝘷𝘰𝘭𝘶𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘪𝘴 𝘢 𝘸𝘦𝘭𝘭 𝘦𝘴𝘵𝘢𝘣𝘭𝘪𝘴𝘩𝘦𝘥 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘰𝘳𝘺 𝘣𝘢𝘴𝘦𝘥 𝘰𝘯 𝘦𝘷𝘪𝘥𝘦𝘯𝘤𝘦. 𝘐𝘵 𝘱𝘰𝘴𝘦𝘴 𝘯𝘰 𝘴𝘱𝘦𝘤𝘪𝘢𝘭 𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘣𝘭𝘦𝘮 𝘵𝘰 𝘤𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯, 𝘴𝘰 𝘐 𝘢𝘮 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘴𝘶𝘳𝘦 𝘸𝘩𝘺 𝘪𝘵 𝘪𝘴 𝘤𝘰𝘯𝘵𝘳𝘰𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘴𝘪𝘢𝘭. To what “observed principles of nature” do you refer? What does the fossil record or comparative anatomy prove about evolution? You say survival and replication to be “a primary driving factor … [as to] why and how species evolve over time.” You say that the reason species evolve over time is because of the survival of what in nature and the replication of what in nature? Now @CricketSurfing describes evolution as “a well established theory based on evidence,” which is defined generally as allele [gene] frequencies that changes over time by natural selection driven by common descent with modification. It is said that it is by means of such changes in these allele frequencies in a population over time that new species emerge. However, no one has 𝐄𝐕𝐄𝐑 observed natural selection cause one species to evolve into another species. However, evolution doesn’t happen in individuals nor does it occur across populations either. For example, no one has EVER observed evidence of a whale transitioning into a hippopotamus across populations. As a scientist, I have a problem with your statement that the ToE is “based on evidence” since no one has ever observed such occurring. 𝐍𝐎 𝐎𝐍𝐄. @Zephyrgold58 makes mention of random mutations based on “observed principles of nature” in his post, and yet while botanist Hugo de Vries has explained the arrival of small, inheritable changes in life forms by mutations, science has discovered that these rare mutations are harmful, not helpful, and that they could possibly account for a degeneration or deterioration, a devolution 𝐝𝐨𝐰𝐧𝐰𝐚𝐫𝐝, but not an evolution 𝐮𝐩𝐰𝐚𝐫𝐝. Once @Zephyrgold58 has told me what “principles of nature” have been 𝐨𝐛𝐬𝐞𝐫𝐯𝐞𝐝, I can explain how everything in the universe will decay into simpler and simpler states until what is termed "thermodynamic equilibrium" is finally reached.⁣⁣ In physics, entropy is the measure of the disorder of a system. A system’s entropy increases as it moves from an ordered, organized, and planned state towards a more disordered, dispersed, and unplanned one. The more disorder there is in a system, the higher its entropy is.⁣⁣⁣ I would also explain how the ToE ignores this fundamental law of physics and totally contradicts the second law of thermodynamics, and says that disordered, dispersed, and lifeless atoms and molecules spontaneously came together over time, in a particular order, to form extremely complex molecules such as proteins, DNA, and RNA, whereupon millions of different living species with even more complex structures gradually emerged.⁣⁣⁣ As a scientist, I cannot ignore the second law, which debunks the ToE. [cont’d]
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@m81687077 @RevesJM @m81687077: 𝘐𝘴 𝘺𝘰𝘶𝘳 𝘱𝘦𝘳𝘴𝘱𝘦𝘤𝘵𝘪𝘷𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘵𝘺𝘱𝘦 𝘰𝘧 𝘱𝘦𝘳𝘴𝘱𝘦𝘤𝘵𝘪𝘷𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘤𝘢𝘯 𝘣𝘦 𝘦𝘹𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘥 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘥𝘦𝘧𝘦𝘯𝘥𝘦𝘥? If I can't, then I'm sure someone can.
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Matthew 🌳🪓@m81687077·
Okay, thanks for your reply. Is your perspective the type of perspective that can be explained and defended? Blessings
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@m81687077: 𝘞𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘦𝘷𝘪𝘥𝘦𝘯𝘤𝘦 𝘥𝘰 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘩𝘢𝘷𝘦 𝘧𝘰𝘳 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘴𝘵𝘢𝘵𝘦𝘮𝘦𝘯𝘵? I assume you are referring to this statement: [Y]ou should not view Trinitarians as Christians, for unlike Trinitarianism, Christianity does 𝐧𝐨𝐭 have a triune god, ergo 𝐓𝐫𝐢𝐧𝐢𝐭𝐚𝐫𝐢𝐚𝐧𝐬 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝐂𝐡𝐫𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐚𝐧𝐬. I am an ordained Christian minister for 40+ years. You are still learning, but I am [learned] Bible scholar. You get to tell me what 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘬 a Christian is; I get to tell you what a Christian is. You get to tell me what 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘬 a Trinitarian is; I get to tell you what a Trinitarian is. I don’t need more evidence. My very statement is 𝐭𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐦𝐨𝐧𝐢𝐚𝐥 evidence.
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