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@BUNF28 @ClarkeMicah @SteveTransform @kierstarmer That means the full extent of the damage might not yet be visible. It doesn't mean the risks are unsupported, imaginary, or absent.

@fpc @ClarkeMicah @SteveTransform @kierstarmer “In any case, the danger from ‘Ecstasy’ is not really that it can kill… It is that everyone who uses it is risking a lifetime in a locked ward” “the long-term effects of its use have yet to make themselves fully felt” Even he admits there’s no real evidence to his claims

Here's @kierstarmer posing for a photo-op surrounded by barrels of whiskey Starmer supports criminalisation of people who use other drugs - but is happy to promote this particularly deadly one There are 21,000 alcohol-related deaths a year in England alone

@BUNF28 @ClarkeMicah @SteveTransform @kierstarmer Sorry, you've misinterpreted the article. He doesn't talk as if there are no dangers to horse riding, and you're having trouble with the words 'risk', 'suspect' and 'evidence'. Nutt eventually got fired for being so stupid with comparisons that only drug advocates find clever.

@fpc @ClarkeMicah @SteveTransform @kierstarmer In that article he starts talking about long term risks of ecstasy (as though there’s no long term risks associated with being kicked in the head by a horse), and later admits that there’s no real evidence on long term effects.

@BUNF28 @ClarkeMicah @SteveTransform @kierstarmer It answers your question. "Those who cannot immediately see through his comparison are probably beyond my reach anyway" - Perhaps you fall into this category.

@fpc @ClarkeMicah @SteveTransform @kierstarmer There is genuinely nothing in that article that refutes any of David Nutts arguments. That’s the point, Peter has no real evidence on his side, or at least doesn’t use any, it’s just an anti-rationalist polemic

@BUNF28 @ClarkeMicah @SteveTransform @kierstarmer Do you have any examples? See this blog post, it answers your disingenuous question re riding horses: hitchensblogarchive.wordpress.com/2009/02/11/nut…

@fpc @ClarkeMicah @SteveTransform @kierstarmer Tell me then. I don’t believe it was anything particular that Dr Nutt said that upset Peter Hitchens, I feel it was merely the fact that Nutt came prepared with a science backed hypothesis, and Hitchens had no way to debate it other

@BUNF28 @ClarkeMicah @SteveTransform @kierstarmer I can tell you what's wrong, but only a disingenuous drug advocate needs telling. I did ask you a question first and you didn't respond. Why waste both our times?

@fpc @ClarkeMicah @SteveTransform @kierstarmer So, just to clarify, you can’t tell me what’s wrong with comparing a recreational activity with 1 serious adverse event every 350 exposures, to a recreational activity with 1 serious adverse event every 10000 exposures?

@BUNF28 @ClarkeMicah @SteveTransform @kierstarmer I know, there are several lengthy blog posts too. If you see nothing wrong with that comparison then you're a waste of time. Again, what do you think Nutt has said that's "rattled him" and not been properly responded to?

@fpc @ClarkeMicah @SteveTransform @kierstarmer Yes that David Nutt, what did you dislike about his comparison? They did a debate on the bbc, you can still find it on YouTube.

@BUNF28 @ClarkeMicah @SteveTransform @kierstarmer That's David Nutt who compares taking dangerous drugs to horse riding. What do you think Nutt has said that's "rattled him" and not been properly responded to?

@fpc @ClarkeMicah @SteveTransform @kierstarmer He’s ignored because he goes on like a crank. David Nutt knows far more about substance use than Hitchens and rattled him so hard that pete still holds a grudge now

@BUNF28 @ClarkeMicah @SteveTransform @kierstarmer Nobody. He's been largely ignored. I think because he's right.

@fpc @ClarkeMicah @SteveTransform @kierstarmer Who made Peter Hitchens the ultimate authority on drugs

@SteveTransform @kierstarmer 25 years, (apparently - AI figured) £250,000+ in donations, last 6 years ~£2 million total income, and, from what I can see, you've not even touched South Korea and swept aside Japan by calling it 'cultural'.

@SteveTransform @kierstarmer There's been no war on drugs. As you'd know if you hadn't ignored The War We Never Fought by Peter Hitchens.

@SteveTransform @kierstarmer And yet you think you & your ideas won't get taken advantage of by similar greedy lobbies. Or do you know you'll likely be used as a stepping stone but don't mind b/c greedy corps will give you a luxury lifestyle while the poor families have to deal w/ legal druggie neighbours?

@fpc @kierstarmer Alcohol is badly regulated in key areas (most obviously marketing). We use it as an example of how not to do it.

@fightclub247 Must be frustrating for Hughie. Those inside boxing know to avoid him, and those outside boxing don't rate him. He's never looked in trouble in over 30 fights, including against good world champions, even while full of serious illnesses &injuries. Arguably beat Parker & Povetkin.

I’ve mentioned this a few times, but I really would like to see Moses Itauma vs Hughie Fury. I think it’s a perfect fight at this stage for Moses. He would be fighting a Fury and a tall, rangy fighter who can move. Hughie’s been asking for a big fight. He will want an Andy Ruiz fight, but if that can’t happen, I think this is a great fight to put on in Manchester or London. #fightclub247 #boxing #champion #fighter

@Drugism Take it however you want. Good riddance, druggie.

@fpc I'll take that single-word response with emoji as your concession. Again. Thanks for the chat!

Come and hear me present/rant/discuss why the war on drugs is such a disaster, &how we can do so much better, including all things legalisation/regulation! This Wednesday - I'll be kicking off a season of HOT TAKES at the Love Shack in Shoreditch, London: eventbrite.com/e/hot-takes-1-…

@Drugism Sure.🤖

@fpc Do I need to draw you a picture, Peter?! Just because I was able to decipher your mess doesn't mean it wasn't a mess. Your 'linguistic car crash' failed *linguistically*, no matter how hard you try to spin the wreckage.

@Drugism If you understood it perfectly, then it didn't really fail. Go away druggie bot.

@fpc I didn't misinterpret anything. I understood your intent perfectly. It's your execution that failed. You can't blame the reader for a 'linguistic car crash' when you were the one who lost control of the car!

@Drugism @SteveTransform You've misinterpreted. Try again in a few more months.

@fpc @SteveTransform I've just re-read this thread and realised you tried so hard to be clever there that you accidentally claimed you conceded the argument before it started. What a linguistic car crash! Maybe stick to the insults. The logic isn't quite landing.

@JSHbabble @ClarkeMicah Why? What difference would it make? Perhaps you didn't respond properly because you wouldn't be so smug if your innocent family were bombed and brushed off as some sort of 'justified collateral damage'.

@fpc @ClarkeMicah I wonder if you have said anything about the children murdered by the Iranian regime in Iran? If not, best you sit this out.

As you say.

@JSHbabble @ClarkeMicah I wonder if you would still be so smug if it were your innocent son or daughter who had been blown up in the process.

@ClarkeMicah Cry harder