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OK, but are they aware of how the Celtics play when he sits?!?!?!?!?!!?
Taylor Snow@taylorcsnow
Jaylen Brown tied for the 3rd-most MVP votes from his peers in the Athletic's Anonymous NBA Player Poll:
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@ZeroRBScumbag @StoolGreenie I'm with you on this. While the Swish theory slander is saying he hasn't improved and is still a "low end all star", the truth is, he has improved, is a top 10ish player (and top 6 ATM) and might have been that sooner had he not had injuries and had the opportunity/usage.
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@StoolGreenie Dan, you probably remember better than anyone, during the 2021 season, Jaylen was the better playmaker and was our best player before tearing a ligament. I thought he'd come back from injury as a better passer but looks like it took a few years to materialize.
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This is where I think advanced numbers can miss the mark
In this piece it's suggested that Jaylen Brown hasn't improved as a passer, and just has more opportunities. That's simply not true if you actually watch him play and have throughout his entire career. For example
- His processing is faster
- He's making reads now that he wasn't prior
- He's making passes now he wasn't capable of making in years prior
There's just no way someone who has actually watched the career progression of Jaylen Brown would come to the conclusion highlighted below. You may not think he's a top 3 MVP (which is fine, he's prob 5-6th), but this is why people push back on the use of advanced metrics, even though they can be helpful
Swish Theory@SwishTheory
With Jayson Tatum out most of the Celtics' season, Jaylen Brown's box score stats have skyrocketed for Boston. Has Brown actually become a better player than ever before? Did he really make an MVP-level jump? @taylormetrics digs into the numbers to tell the full story (🔗👇)
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@BallUpTopBrad @LevAkabas Don't even have to watch the games to know! Cs have very good net rating with Brown on the court which comes against the others teams' starters ie. best players. Brown goes out and Cs bench rotation dominates other teams' bench rotation for an even better net rating. Very simple!
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Jaylen Brown is on track to finish 5th in NBA MVP voting, according to ESPN's recent straw poll
The Celtics' net rating has been 5.3 points worse with Brown on the court this season
That would be the worst on/off of any top 5 MVP finisher in the play-by-play era
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@R1245177 @StoolGreenie Which also means he's playing vs bench units....Jaylen plays vs starters. Our bench dominates other team's bench. We are still very much winning Jaylens minutes which are vs the better players on the opposition. This is very simple people.
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Nobody is saying he'll be the MVP. He'll finish somewhere in the top 5-6
But just to illustrate how you are using it incorrectly, if we look at Tatum's 2024 regular season, you must then think that he wasn't impactful and the team was better without him on the floor based on his negative differential right? Because the lineups that were on the floor without him were good? It's the same idea
OF COURSE NOT because that would be insane. Unless that is your take of Tatum and his impact in 2024, which I feel confident is not
GEORGE@itsGeorgeyy
I’m the one using on/off differential incorrectly lol You don’t see how insane you sound? The graph is right there in front of you and you still deny the obvious It’s genuinely crazy There hasn’t been a single MVP over the last 3 decades with a negative on/off lol
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@LateakW4431 "No matter what" is strong. KP being derailed by a mysterious illness was a huge factor that never gets talked about. They were losing that series "no matter what" given that fact, but if that weren't the case it would have at least gone 7 with that game in Boston. Just sayin'...
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Damn, even the Celtics commentators and beat writers are keeping it real💯💯 and I’m finally glad that somebody from their side kept it real about that series from last year that they were going to lose no matter what it’s just a matchup thing the Knicks matchup very well with the Celtics it’s just that mainstream media doesn’t wanna hear it because there’s so dead set to tear down the Knicks instead of keeping it real
The Garden Report on CLNS@TheGardenReport
.@John_Zannis: "You can lose to this [Knicks] team. There's enough there on the other side to beat you ... I think it's a dogfight series that's the thing. I don't think it's an automatic [win]." WATCH @TheGardenReport on @CelticCLNS after every Celtics game: youtube.com/live/qSJdRGhJh…
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@dalydoseknicks @celtics Settle down there slugger. Meaningless game. Unlike the Knicks, winning this particular matchup is not the Celtics goal
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@celtics Jaylen Brown ducking the Knicks smoke. He should shut his mouth on his streams if he’s not going to play.
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Injury Report Update:
Jaylen Brown - Left Achilles Tendinitis - OUT
Sam Hauser - AVAILABLE
Neemias Queta - Right Toe Sprain - QUESTIONABLE
Derrick White - Right Knee Contusion - QUESTIONABLE
Boston Celtics@celtics
Injury Report for tomorrow at NYK: Jaylen Brown - Left Achilles Tendinitis - QUESTIONABLE Sam Hauser - Low Back Spasm - QUESTIONABLE Neemias Queta - Right Toe Sprain - QUESTIONABLE Derrick White - Right Knee Contusion - QUESTIONABLE
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@gocelticsgo07 @StoolGreenie Seems to have worked pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty good so far
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@StoolGreenie Jaylen Brown should not be playing point guard. It’s just kinda simple as that. Putting Jayson Tatum in the corner and not even using him as a decoy is unforgivable. Jaylen is great, and he can obviously make plays. It just doesn’t give us the best chance to win tho.
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Wait, what is there to be at war about they were both good last night and the Celtics won 😂
2Slime@CDRosario_
Every single game. JT vs. JB wars. This shit is genuinely exhausting
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@LoveIsback24 Nas is lightyears ahead of everyone, except Him. Nas is lightyears behind Him.
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Injury Report for tomorrow at NYK:
Jaylen Brown - Left Achilles Tendinitis - QUESTIONABLE
Sam Hauser - Low Back Spasm - QUESTIONABLE
Neemias Queta - Right Toe Sprain - QUESTIONABLE
Derrick White - Right Knee Contusion - QUESTIONABLE
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@Iam_Sid973 @Zye_air Apparently he was injured most of the year but was managing. Maybe aggravated at some point. Doesn't matter tho. Ownership mandated cutting salary. Simons was probably the only big reduction they could make. Vuc probably only options to shore up C spot - a rookie as 3rd C no good
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@Zye_air Naw Simons played majority of the games before being traded he’s injured in Chicago tho
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@kunalc8 @StoolGreenie Right, scoring does become more important than good process + open shot at some point. Good thing the entire coaching philosophy here is doing many different things to contribute to scoring & more importantly to winning. Make/miss is the last thing Joe would point as reason for L
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@StoolGreenie I dont think thats exactly true. You can work on an offense that isn't relying on a shot that is statistically harder to make. Offense works on creating the best possible shot with the best possible probability
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No, but I do not think an offense works or doesn't work depending on if the ball goes in or not like you apparently do
If the process on offense generated an open look, the offense worked. What did not happen was the execution
The same way late in Game 2 the Celts took 10 FGA in the paint, yet only made 1 shot. Their process was good, the execution was not
ChampionsBleedGreen@Banner19otw
@StoolGreenie Do you think players should shoot 100% on open 3 during a high intensity playoff game? Have you ever played a sport in your life?
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@sanxhez92 @KeithSmithNBA @TruthFaustino Yes but ownership tells you cut salary & you have only 2 non-rookie centers rostered, you take a vet like Vuc. Let's not confuse his current play with what was a reasonable expectation. What we're getting is much worse than expected. He's usually good, at least in regular season
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@KeithSmithNBA @TruthFaustino Wrong read. It’s always better to have shooters that hoping a big can shot the 3.
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Then what was the point in getting him
Keith Smith@KeithSmithNBA
I get he needs minutes to find his rhythm after missing a month, but if Vooch can't hit shots soon, the Celtics need to go back to Garza as the backup center.
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@Black_EL @John_Zannis Well you want to have more than 2 C on the roster that are not rookies
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@ToshPointFlo @John_Zannis We know about the financials, but Vooch and Garza are so comparable it doesn’t make a lot of sense from a roster building perspective
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@Black_EL @John_Zannis Brad had a mandate to make a trade for financial reasons. Maybe not the best trade he could've made but there weren't too many options that met parameters Vuc did
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@John_Zannis He’s completely useless. I don’t even like Garza and he has the same defensive issues, but he can at least grab a rebound.
Think this was Brad’s first bad trade.
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Incredible possession there to get the Pritchard 3 and Boston is now up 7, their biggest lead of the night.
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Why are we acting like this is some critical issue right now? After everything Joe Mazzulla has done this year, do we suddenly not trust him to handle the backup center situation?
They're giving Vuc a crash course. Garza will be ready when called. Everyone relax
Shaun Carlson@ShaunCarlson17
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I get he needs minutes to find his rhythm after missing a month, but if Vooch can't hit shots soon, the Celtics need to go back to Garza as the backup center.
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